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  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    It is very fun watching US debates. People talking about fairy tales. Afraid to tell horrible truth.

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    Guys maked red need chaos to blame war for all real problems their people will be suffering.

    So, as possible scenario, this guys arrange small boom in Turkey, blame Syrya for it and make retaliatory strike and begin the war.

    Of course, it is interesting to look back and check how hard Turkish goverment worked to remove huge number of army officers who refused to parcicipate in this crime. So, fuck em, call them conspirators and put in jail.

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  • peternappeternap

    It is only fun if you aren't here Vitaliy.

    Telling fairy tales is what our Government does best. I grew up during the cold war. Obama didn't invent chaos. he's just real good at it.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    Obama didn't invent chaos. he's just real good at it.

    I think blaming Obama is same as blaming picture on the wall. It just hangs on the wall. It does not make any decisions.

  • peternappeternap

    Gotta blame someone and he's convenient.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @brianluce

    In this case you clearly saw different stuff :-)

    None of candidates even remotely touched required measures.

    We have good song in Russia "We are for all good, against all bad", this is about it.

  • SangyeSangye

    We really don't need either a red herring strike in Turkey, or a general sense of "chaos", to justify military intervention in Syria. I am against American exceptionalism and I hate war-mongers, and I don't think it's NATO's duty to "police" the world, but I feel that the situation in Syria absolutely demands international condemnation and intervention. With the exception of Russia, Iran, and China, the international community has reached virtual consensus in declaring that the Assad regime has become illegitimate, and that it is guilty of ongoing crimes against humanity.

    In the spirit of solidarity and internationalism, there is a moral imperative to assist the resistance in overthrowing Assad.

  • SangyeSangye

    @brianluce I don't think economic power is at all relevant to the question of resisting oppression. That's why the existence of a "Security Council" is such a perversion of the spirit of internationalism - it give five world superpowers veto-power over the will of 190-odd others.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    I am against American exceptionalism and I hate war-mongers, and I don't think it's NATO's duty to "police" the world, but I feel that the situation in Syria absolutely demands international condemnation and intervention.

    It is not funny how mass media can dupe people.

    In the spirit of solidarity and internationalism, there is a moral imperative to assist the resistance in overthrowing Assad.

    Even Clinton could not came with better set of meaningless words :-)

    So, if someone kill many peoply by blasting bomb in US it is certainly bad terrorists and they must be prosecuted, but if they do the same in Syrya they are.. moral internationalists. Something just not fit here.

    Same as you can't fit in poor peoples head many things. How professional terrorists trained in Quatar, Turkey and US, armed by new modern weapon from NATO arsenals going into houses of ordinary citizens and cutting their throats because his son or doughter supported officially elected goverment can be considered freedom fighters. Freedom for who if native siryans are small minority among them?

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    I don't think economic power is at all relevant to the question of resisting oppression

    Are you working in US foreign office or just watch too much TV.

    As you are talking by stamps.

    How about Mexico? With their huge cartels who can kill and behead 30 peoples a day, and who elect president whith official position that we must not fight this criminals, but find compromiss with them.

    Certainly must bomb them into stone age!

  • SangyeSangye

    @Vitaliy_Kiselev "It is not funny how mass media can dupe people."

    Right back at you. Let me guess, you're informing yourself primarily via RT? Their bias is palpable. I know that mass media in the US has an anti-Syria / anti-Iran agenda. Everybody knows this. But that does not discredit the struggle of the Syrian resistance. I base my opinion on first-hand independent reporting and footage from the streets of Syria, found on Youtube, Twitter, etc, as well as reporting by Al Jazeera, Haaretz, Reuters, and yes, RT too, among others.

    Don't get me wrong, the resistance in Syria is not innocent either. But their crimes pale in comparison to the crimes of Assad.

    Let us not bomb anyone. Let us give our solidarity to revolutionaries, and when they cannot stand up to the might of statist tyranny, let us strategically arm and aid them.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    Right back at you. Let me guess, you're informing yourself primarily via RT?

    I do not watch RT.
    I am looking just at real correspondents in Sirya from Russia. And guys who had been personally in Sirya and few of them I know. None are related to mass media. All of them had been absolutrely in sync.

    Al Jazeera, Haaretz, Reuters, and yes, RT too, among others

    List in fascinating.

    Station who run exclusively on the Quatar money who also sent terrorists in Syrya (btw packing them with their pet journalists, they even moved many extra to cover Allepo victory and had hard task of pulling them back after disaster).

    Information agency that provide official NATO positions.

    I'll skip of Israel one as they still hope to get to Iran somehow, Sirya still prevents it :-)

    Don't get me wrong, the resistance in Syria is not innocent either. But their crimes pale in comparison to the crimes of Assad.

    LOL. I like logic here. Yes, this is trained terrorists from many countries armed with foreign weapons killing innocent people, but we must support their fight for freedom. :-)

    You know that Quater emir told on public forum that countries must throw out all international law and just invade Sirya? No? I hope you also know that this speech alone is enough to be called international criminal.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    Let us give our solidarity to revolutionaries, and when they cannot stand up to the might of statist tyranny, let us strategically arm and aid them.

    Btw, you certainly checked official US position on Sirya in all last years since, say 2000? I am sure that you could provide me data since when Sirya became "regime" and "tyranny".

    I, for example, think that UK is regime of British queen. Must bomb motherfuckers also?

  • SangyeSangye

    @Vitaliy_Kiselev - These "real correspondents" that you mention: are they Baathists? Alawites? And your associates / acquaintances that have been there, do they have any affiliation with the ruling party in Syria? I don't think you're lying, or that you consciously have an agenda, so I'm interested by this.

    Everything that I see coming out of Syria, whether it be shaky YouTube videos, "tweets", or reporting in Al Jazeera (which, say what you will, I consider the most trustworthy major news source in the world today), seems to point to Assad and his forces being murderous criminals, while the resistance seems genuinely motivated toward human liberation, and to have wide, albeit muted if not tacit, support throughout Syrian civil society. But if you have seen different, I would genuinely like to see what you're seeing. I always welcome contrary evidence, on anything that I take for granted.

    edit - regarding Britain, I don't disagree with you. But bomb them? Of course not. Besides that proposition being absurd given geopolitical contingencies, the crux of my position on Syria is a deep-seated sense of solidarity with revolutionary movements against oppressive statism, wherever it may occur. There is no credible revolutionary movement in Britain, or any of its neocolonial outposts, with which to side. If a revolution were sparked in Britain, and there were a crackdown on par with that seen in Syria, you bet I would side with the revolutionaries.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    They are all from Russia, preriod. Some of them are specialists in this region..

    Everything that I see coming out of Syria, whether it be shaky YouTube videos, "tweets", or reporting in Al Jazeera (which, say what you will, I consider the most trustworthy major news source in the world today), seems to point to Assad and his forces being murderous criminals, while the resistance seems genuinely motivated toward human liberation, and to have wide, albeit muted if not tacit, support throughout Syrian civil society.

    In this case I have no words, as it is more about religion :-)

    As it is very interesting how you can picture in mass media official goverment supported by wast majority of people and oppose it with group of clear terrorists most of whom are not Syrya citizens at all.

    Al Jazeera ,which, say what you will, I consider the most trustworthy major news source in the world today

    Al Jazeera is most corrupt and criminal source of information I know. Source of money for this guys are perfectly known, as well as their close relation to CIA, MI-6 and terrorists camps in Quatar.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    If a revolution were sparked in Britain, and there were a crackdown on par with that seen in Syria, you bet I would side with the revolutionaries.

    Good position. I hope as UK will start not only train terrorist on their soil, but also use them against their own citizens you could have perfect chance to support them :-)

  • SangyeSangye

    @Vitaliy_Kiselev "Good position. I hope as UK will start not only train terrorist on their soil, but also use them against their own citizens you could have perfect chance to support them :-)"

    That would only be a further extension of statism. You are misrepresenting my position. This thought experiment is absurd though.

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