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Sony NEX-VG900 Full Frame camera topic
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  • iamsikoraiamsikora

    I just bought a Sony AX 2000, it is a good camera, but it is pretty dated at almost 3 years old now. Seeing this makes me question which is better in comparison? Could someone please help me decide if I should keep my 2000 or return it for this newer one?

  • vicxvicx

    The camera market is exploding with products and options at the moment. It is a very interesting time

    @apefos

    look at more expensive cameras like canon c300 and sony f3.

    Yes these cameras are wonderful products with a shameful weak point. Both are capable of wonderful images on reference monitors but then they record that lovely image to what were once considered professional codecs like XDCAM and Canon MPEG. Time passed and the professional codecs have been revealed as not doing justice to the picture in the cam. To use these cameras in the future you will make peace with external recorders.

    This is the glimpse of the immediate future. All cameras have amazing sensors with recording quality and lens to make the difference in IQ.

  • everoevero

    Will be interesting to see. In my opinion it needs to sport ND-filters and XLR to fetch my interesting over the coming Nikon D600 (which probably will feature clean HDMI).

    On other question: Do you think the Metabones Canon to NEX electronic adaptor will retain the whole image to a NEX full frame sensor? I'm not sure if it's designed for that?

  • AriaAria

    I've been impressed with Sony Sensors overall. The D800 has some really nice DR and good resolution. With fewer pixels, this could be the sweet spot in their sensor design. Still curious if it wouldn't be better to have the A99 versus the VG900. At some point have to do a direct comparison of the 2 cameras sharing this sensor.

  • danyyyeldanyyyel

    I hope that this new 24 megapixel sony sensor is good in video, because it will be in a number of dslr from Sony and Nikon like the d600.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

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  • retrospectiveretrospective

    This would probably kill the C100 if the Image quality is on par!

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    From rumors:

    The camera itself records in 24p/50p (or 60p in USA) at 24Mbit/s (AVCHD). It has a Quad Capsule Spatial Array Stereo Mic, a 3 inch 9k and 270 degree swivel touchscreen. An XGA electronic viewfinder. A manual control jog dial. A dual SD card slot, remote AVR/IR, mic jack and hdmi. The body looks like the current VG-20 camera. Includes(!) the new A-mount LA-EA3 Full Frame adapter.

    Price - $3300, or 3300 EUR

  • bwhitzbwhitz

    @fatpig

    hmmm... weird, I meant to type "less" pixels, not "smaller".

    @subco

    It is not all about high bitrates for the best quality.

    It very much is for flexibility though... or if you're shooting a flat profile for grading. Sure you can get great looking quality with something like that 24mbp/s AVCHD codec, but you touch the levels or any color control and it falls apart instantly. No room for anything. 24mbp/s is a great spec for a DELIVERY codec (or broadcast footage), not anywhere near sufficient enough for capturing footage you intend to do post work with.

    Not to mention, when you're at low bit-rates, it usually means long-GOP coding... which is not only bad for high-motion shooting, but looks video-like. Long-GOP codecs are like the new interlacing. Terrible look to it.

  • fatpigfatpig

    @bhwitz: smaller pixels means worse low light quality, where I come from. less photons per pixel. where are you getting this from?

  • danyyyeldanyyyel

    I think we will see it in a VG-20 type consumer type camcorder body. For this price they will have to cut corners somewhere.

  • bwhitzbwhitz

    @fatpig

    Who would buy this over a 5D?

    I would! 5D still has no 60fps in 1080p mode, and sub-720p resolution. It's a no-brainier if there is good down-sampling in this camera. Sony also seems to be ahead in sensor design these days... plus, a Sony FF video-hybrid-thing will most likely have less pixels than a 5D, giving even greater DR and low-light. 5DII was amazing in 2009, 5DIII was never anything special to begin with. Canon really doesn't want people using their DSLRs for video...

    The one thing that will get me to NOT buy this cam, is a sub-50mb/s codec. It's just not really excusable to be this low anymore. Hell, even the GoPro pro-tune is 35mb/s. Any new cam has no excuse for being below the 50-100mb/s range.

  • fatpigfatpig

    I was infering from the NEX-EA50UH. my bad. In Germany the 5DIII is just under 3200 euros. I imagine when this one is released the 5D might just be under 3000 euros, which would at least make it a strong competitor.

    Here's hoping this ridiculous bitrate can be increased from 24mbps- if its not H.265, Image quality will be worse than 5DIII.

  • DrDaveDrDave

    I'm assuming this will have several crop settings, so vignette would be an issue only on the largest setting, hopefully. Hopefully Sony will deliver without the usual BS somewhere in the product. Actually, I'm surprised that no one has really put forth a more serious quantum leap competitor to Canon, so here''s hoping.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    Well, it is very large, compared to a 5D and it is more expensive.

    How told you that it is large? Or it is your fantasy?
    As no photos had been released yet.

    As for 5D. You never ever checked Mark III price?

  • fatpigfatpig

    Well, it is very large, compared to a 5D and it is more expensive. Maybe the looks part is weighing towards this one. youre just not looking like that guy with a photo camera anymore. ;)

  • lolodigitallolodigital

    Vitaliy_Kiselev :"This one is true, believe me :-)"

    that will be unbelievable :) (Jobs tm)...

  • kellar42kellar42

    This seems very exciting to me, something that doesn't exist on the market. Will work great with the F mount lens set I am putting together.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @apefos

    I am sure that Sony engineers are smarter than us here, so do not worry, all will be working just fine.

  • apefosapefos

    if the e-mount throat diameter is 46mm, considering the tabs it will decrease to 43mm, considering the lens adapter it will decrease to 41mm. So to avoid any vignetting the ideal frame size would be 34x22.7mm (40.9mm diagonal and for 16:9 with some top/bottom crop it would be 34x19.1mm giving a 1.1 crop factor for video comparing to default full frame. good.

  • SangyeSangye

    If someone can hack this for higher bitrate intra-frame recording, and provided that it doesn't have aliasing or moire issues, this may well be my next camera.

    edit - and there's nothing wrong with pixel-binning in principle. Pixel-binning with a good algorithm (like on the GH2) is about as good as it gets for sensors this large.

  • guzakguzak

    danyyyel, it is just the question of time. You know that every technological progress is being sold step by step... they could make such camera, but it would be the last model ever sold until everybody jump to 4K, because nobody would buy their expensive cameras for 30-50k USD. But you can buy Nikon D800 which has already 422 HDMI out... as I think. Releasing Panasonic GH3 is also just holding, waiting for what the other companies will put out :-) ... I hope by the end of 2012 somebody will release affordable camera with 10bit 422, couse my clients want me to use some camera with BBC standards :-(

  • apefosapefos

    some of the largest exit pupil 35mm full frame lenses are the canon 24mm 1.4 and the nikon 55mm 1.2 they have an exit pupil about 38~40mm diameter, so if that chinese adapters manufacturers do some adapters with the inernal diameter about 41.3mm the light will travel to the e-mount full frame sensor no problem, no vignette.

  • apefosapefos

    if you want 422, 10/12 bit, and high bit rate, then you may look at more expensive cameras like canon c300 and sony f3. it seems they keep these dream features in more expensive products to make more money. or the new magic bullet cinema camera.

  • danyyyeldanyyyel

    Sony seems to be releasing a camera every day, but it seems that they all have some super feature; fps fs700, low light Fs100, body form factor Nex5u, now perhaps full frame with this rumored camcorder.But none have the basic thing. What I mean is a least a good codec or a choice of codec that has at least 10 bit and higher bitrate in a good form factor etc.

    Just give us some native 2.5 to 1080p (so no line skipping) apsc/super 35 size sensor, a choice of 50/100/200 mbit 10 bit internal codec, choice of frame rate from 24 to 60 fps and a shoulder mount like the latest nex camera with internal ND. Unfortunately we have to pic and choose, but don't expect anything close to a sensible/logical camera spec.

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