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Germany: Problems with birthrate
  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    For 3.6 million deaths, there are only 2.4 million newborns with mothers who have German citizenship. It turns out that Germany loses several hundred thousand Germans every year. But this outflow is compensated by a fairly high migration from other EU member states, as well as humanitarian migration. Mostly people come from Romania, Syria, Turkey, India and Bulgaria. Because of this, now in Germany already a quarter of Germans (21.2 million) have a migration background, which is 400 thousand more than last year.

    All this is indicator of abnormal situation. where ruling class try to keep workforce price below reproduction levels.

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  • stoneystoney

    What's wrong? South Korea's birthrate fell below 1.0 this year. Among married couples, average # of children is around 0.8 which implies that some couples don't have any kid. Yeah at this rate the country's population will shrink by half around 2060.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @stonebat

    Wrong is that capitalists now do not pay to people workforce price, as it includes also expenses to full (or extended) workforce reproduction. This mean that if they paid their real workforce price people must have at least 2.2 children per woman reproduction rate (to keep it around 2.0, or full reproduction, during work age).

    By not paying real price each capitalist want to win into competitive fight.
    They actually do not care about anything but this and more profits.

    Usually all capitalist media are putting blame to people (telling that they don't want children) or abortions.
    This is idealism, foundation of capitalism, and big lies, of course.

  • stoneystoney

    I know the 2.2 birthrate. No idea why you kept saying such thing applies to only capitalism.

    China is in a lot more dire situation. Due to their dystopian one-child policy for decades, their population pyramid is so inverted that it looks like a pyramid standing upside down. And that'd be a catalyst for Japan like Lost Decades.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @stonebat

    China is in a lot more dire situation. Due to their dystopian one-child policy for decades, their population pyramid is so inverted that it looks like a pyramid standing upside down. And that'd be a catalyst for Japan like Lost Decades.

    I talk about capitalism because in capitalism it has simple to explain reasons. During socialism it can be very complex, but besides North Korea (that is not totally independent country as it is under extreme sanctions and blockade) it is not much to talk about as before 1990 in almost all socialist countries we had population growing.

    You better not compare China to Germany. As their population had been really big compared to area where it is good to live and number of resources available.

    Also their one child policy worked mostly on paper, only for cities area and only for people who where not persistent (as I asked Chinese guys I know), and their statistics is totally nuts. Only issue is if you have 2-3 children and want them to go to one school near home, as frequently other children are registered in the other places :-).

    I consider that birth planning and detailed scientific approach to this will be organic part of new socialist countries, not like China, but with tight contact with population.

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