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Apple M1 COVID infected notebooks - Air 2020 ARM and Macbook Pro 13" ARM!
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  • Cinebench R23, new version where Apple wrote all the M1 routines

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    Note that numbers here are possible also as big amount of Apple team worked with all major benchmark makers to write totally custom code for M1.

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  • Adobe is releasing Arm versions of Photoshop for Windows and macOS today. The beta releases will allow owners of a Surface Pro X or Apple’s new M1-powered MacBook Pro, MacBook Air, and Mac mini to run Photoshop natively on their devices. Currently, Photoshop runs emulated on Windows on ARM, or through Apple’s Rosetta translation on macOS.

    Native versions of Photoshop for both Windows and macOS should greatly improve performance, just in time for Apple to release its first Arm-powered Macs. While performance might be improved, as the app is in beta there are a lot of tools missing. Features like content-aware fill, patch tool, healing brush, and many more are not available in the beta versions currently.

    Actually it is bad for Apple, as it also provide way to compare M1 to other ARM processors right at the reviews start.

  • @ninetto

    Apple can't fail this time.

    Belt yourself up for first two waves of reviews, Apple will check all and everyone of major ones.

    They made nice CPU, but if marketing department will fail to show how superb it is - they can follow the way of Windows RT.

  • These benchmarks remind me of something similiar:

    "Volkswagen admitted that 11 million of its vehicles were equipped with software that was used to cheat on emissions tests."

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/business/international/vw-diesel-emissions-scandal-explained.html

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    Rumors are that Apple made unprecedented efforts focusing on benchmarks.

    Rosetta 2 even custom recompile and replace parts of benchmarks to show nice performance in emulation mode.

    Same had been done with top 50 most used applications (in parts that are used in benchmarks, not everywhere).

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  • Apple PR continue to leak benchmarks

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    With GPU situation is not so good, so the preferred weird benchmark made for mobile class chips mostly (GFXBench 5.0). It is never used for any serious desktop benchmarks.

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  • I'm very curious to see the later M model 16" MacBook Pros and iMacs. I don't care if you call it an iPhone, as long as it runs Final Cut Pro (and Resolve, apparently) faster, it is a machine of interest to me.

  • On Adobe’s Compatibility page, the company states definitively that while Apple has made it clear many apps will continue to run on Rosetta 2 emulation on the M1 chip – even saying that some apps may even run better than they would on native Intel chips – Adobe Lightroom Classic is not considered compatible with this method.

    Caution: Running Adobe apps under Rosetta 2 emulation mode on Apple devices with Apple Silicon M1 processors is not officially supported. Native support is planned.

    “We’re excited to bring CC apps to Apple Silicon devices, including native support for Lightroom next month and Photoshop in early 2021,” an Adobe representative said. “Regarding Lightroom Classic, the team is working on a native version of Lightroom Classic for Apple Silicon, and it will be released next year. We’re also committed to continuing support for Intel-based Macs.”

    Rumors are that Lightroom Class can never make it.

    Also almost all developers related to Apple platform are moved to M1, this included both BM and Adobe.

  • DaVinci Resolve is getting updated with support for Arm-powered Macs, and a beta version will be ready for owners on day one. Blackmagic Design released a beta of Resolve version 17.1 today that includes support for Apple’s new M1 chip. That means when the first of these new Macs ship next week, buyers will be able to dive straight into a native version of a key filmmaking tool.

    https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/media/release/20201113-01

  • @Kurth. I have a late 2011 Mini server. USB is 2.0, not 3.0. I upgraded RAM to 16GB and its 2 hard drives to 500GB SSD's. Also, it cannot be upgraded past High Sierra without a hack. I have to make proxies for FCPX, but otherwise, there are no performance issues. I'll be in the market for a replacement when funds are available. I'll wait on M1 machines until the smoke clears and we have some honest reviews.

  • Benchmarks

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  • well...the problem is the only alternative to running apple apps is on an almost equally priced and untested hackintosh. So ? In 6 months , might be a good time to buy a used mac mini. I like the 2012 ....usb 3 , firewire and thunderbolt. One of the last of the firewire macs. Those prices should be falling....unless everybody's thinking like me. And ps.....those educational discounts are not cutting as deep as they used to.

  • Small story from Chinese community

    Suppliers offered Apple this time to upgrade camera this time due to popularity of video chats.

    1080p and 4K variants had been proposed, with 2x sensitivity, almost 3x less noise and much better optics.

    Cost to manufacture could rise around $4 (1080p) to $7-8 (4K and best 7 pieces glass optics, Sony sensor).

    Apple rejected and further pushed old suppliers to cheapen even existing camera by cutting around $1 from cost.

    All improvements are solely software.

    Remember this greedy bastards next time you think about buying their product.

  • Nice table on difference

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  • Note the DC-DC converters and amount of them

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  • Another small info

    With M1 Apple now gets main LSI for extremely cheap price. DRAM is also around 25% cheaper now for them.

    Main new goal, and hence all thus bla-bla on efficiency - is to cut 100Wh battery of Mac PRo notes into 52-75Wh battery, as battery became most expensive item after screen that Apple buys.

    In this generation Apple also reduced cost of notebook case (including screen part) by 20% by using parts with less metal and much cheaper processing.

    Internal reported margin (due to cheaper NAND and DRAM costs, very cheap M1, much simpler board, cheaper and less powerful DC-DC converters and integration) increased by more than 35% for entry level model of Air and up to 65% for top Mac Pro.

  • @Vitaliy....that's what I've read as well. I just want a new mac for logic and mainstage, which I'd guess is less intensive than fcp. An educational discounted mac mini will be 600. That's the cheapest mac ever. @endotoxic....Yeah....I know about buying apple's first iterations. Long history. I bought just released fcp one with a blue and white macpro.

  • @kurth

    It's all about software compatibility. How good they run logic and fcp.

    My Apple source told that Pro notebook will be quite good int his regard, as Apple worked hard to offload as much as possible from only 4 weak CPUs inot GPU, ML and video engine,

  • It's all about software compatibility. How good they run logic and fcp.

  • There are some other key limitations with the M1 worth mentioning. Macs with the new chip will not work with external GPUs, Apple says. That’s a particularly tricky constraint for the new Mac mini, which is already hamstrung by its memory ceiling and furthermore can’t be used with a more powerful graphics chip and enclosure combo, as some of have done in the past with Apple laptops and the 2018 and earlier Mac minis. Apple also says the RAM on M1 models is not upgradable — it’s integrated into the system-on-a-chip, so you can’t upgrade an 8GB model with another stick of RAM.

    Memory is also not repairable even with using chips soldering now.

    Now any, even local and small issue with memory, GPU, CPU, hub, SSD controller means that your computer is done. Not repairable totally. Only replaceable in official service center (read -80-90% of new notebook price).

    Even more fun is that rumors are that 8GB DRAM models actually have 16GB on M1 die, but it is switched off.

  • Macbook Pro became almost literal clone of Air from the body standpoint

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    Air:

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  • Some closed Rosetta 2 info

    Apple will decide on app per app basis and won't allow running some software via Rosetta 2. Some apps that are competitors with Apple own apps can be in banned list.

    This app also will sent statistics to Apple servers for your usage of Intel based apps. Rumors are that Apple will also resend info to authors of the software to find unauthorized users.

    Apple will terminate Rossetta 2 in some moment int he future, software will be fully removed using commend from Apple server. This had been already discussed internally, times discussed had been 1-2 years, not more.

    Any modern app using AVX and similar instructions will be also rejected.

    https://developer.apple.com/documentation/apple_silicon/about_the_rosetta_translation_environment

  • I had been told that all first batch of reviews will be Apple checked. Meaning that each of benchmarks and main statements must be agreed with Apple contact before publishing (even if bloggers or sites told opposite).

  • I am very pissed off. I have invested for years in Mac platforms, I think Final Cut is the best editing software right now. The last months have started the big problems, between a limited eGpu recognition and many bugs. Apple started the transition of FCPX before moving to Silicon. To be exact, until version 10.4.6 everything was ok, after that the disaster started. I'm seriously thinking about a transition to Davinci Resolve, is anyone using it in Linux environment?