"The efficiency of the image stabilization is very similar to Sony A7III". This is crazy, the A7III has the worse IBIS. If the S5 is similar, this is bad ...
Part of me still wants the S5 even with it's flaws. When I pixel peep I find the IQ of the Panasonic S1 to be some of the best, so figure the S5 will be the same. I don't know if it's due to a lack of phase detection or Panasonic has some talent in the IQ department. Anyone have some opinions on that? I really wish AF and the EVF were better and I would have preferred FF 60FPS. For lack of those I'm hoping for a price drop.
Let me explain why low prices are now impossible for Japanese camera companies.
First - profits and high margins now are main indicator of good management in all of them. So, if you try to do opposite - it will be instant and big attack. Also note that to reach low price you need to significantly lower internal cost estimates for all components. And it is almost impossible, as in this case you will need to start firing lot of people who sit on their place since the time cameras sold in 10x of present amount.
Second - look at Olympus, they use special company to destruct organization as it allows management to save face and to keep all typical Japanese "nice way". So it is impossible to just make big drastic cuts without instant morale change and organization consequences. To the last companies try to make some horizontal moves, find way to organize early retirements and such.
Third - no one cares about even next quarter, I am not talking about next year. Low prices are only possible if you have long planning.
Forth - all dealers and shops push for higher prices as they hope to get more cut from it. Influencers also 99% push and constantly tell that price is too low, even for $4500-6000 bodies (not publically) as each of them think that they will be lucky to be last on the sinking ship and higher price will allow to increase income during selling of free body and lenses.
Let's hope also people that want to continue to sell those cameras at over inflated price will eventually leave...
The S series is not by any means a bad camera, just the price makes no sense for Panasonic as they are the late comers to the FF party. They need to sell camera bodies at very low and attractive price, it's the only way to create the customer base to then sell high margin lenses. But it seems they prefer to extract every single cent from any (few) camera they sell. Not a smart move in my view; yet I still consider Panasonic the best choice in terms of quality and reliability over Sony, Canon and so on.
As far as I know IBIS appeared only after some of the people left the company and also one other guy who remained lost most of his influence.
Face is super important thing in Japan (and China), if boss said 5 years ago that IBIS or PD AF are not required - it can't tell opposite. Only reason can be if almost all market starts doing so, but even in such case company must take big delay and also establish special complex process so this same boss on some big meeting could proclaim new approach and at least 4-5 people who will talk after him must publically tell how right he is and that he always wanted to do this but due to some bad small unqualified people down the hierarchy he couldn't do it.
I know that people inside Panasonic told them that they need to license and make their own (as Samsung and Sony did) dual pixel like AF for all new sensors. But top management wanted to save their face at all costs (very important in Japan!) and not to show that they made big error.
They should have learnt from the "IBIS is not needed, OIS is much better" days - after they finally gave up of that stubborn attitude it became a big selling point to Panasonic.
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New article made by Panasonic marketing department on DPReview
Panasonic told us that the S5's autofocus has been improved by a number of fundamental changes. Part of it comes from improved subject recognition. This is based on deep learning (an algorithm trained to recognize specific types of subject) which helps the camera know what to focus on and to not refocus away from it. For instance, teaching the algorithms to recognize human heads when they're looking away means the camera understands it doesn't need to find a new subject or refocus when the face it had recognized suddenly 'disappears.'
Another part comes from re-writing the AF code to make better use of the available processing power. During the development of the S5, Panasonic's engineers discovered they didn't have to lean on the machine-learning trained algorithms for both subject recognition and movement tracking: they could combine the machine-learned recognition with their existing, faster, distance and movement algorithms, which freed-up processing power to run the process much more frequently.
Finally, other software improvements allowed the entire AF system to be run faster: providing more up-to-date information to the processor. The combined result of these changes, for stills shooters at least, is much improved autofocus with less reliance on the trial-and-error hunting of contrast detection AF. This, in turn, reduces the focus flutter in the viewfinder, making it easier for a photographer to follow the action they're trying to capture, so you get an improved experience as well as improved focus accuracy.
To be short - for our practical purposes Panasonic AF did not improved in years.
All Panasonic flaws come from the time of private agreement and ditching their own sensors. Sony saw the fundamental weakness, so included point requiring Panasonic not to use phase based AF in the supplied sensors. Such way famous DFD came to existence from the deep areas of the brain of their marketing department.
I know that people inside Panasonic told them that they need to license and make their own (as Samsung and Sony did) dual pixel like AF for all new sensors. But top management wanted to save their face at all costs (very important in Japan!) and not to show that they made big error.
Next part of interview
What are the highlights considering video functions?
The first point is that this small body can record 4K / 60p 10bit internally. Moreover, with 4K / 60p and 4K 10-bit shooting, you can shoot for 30 minutes without fail. Also, in 4K 8-bit shooting and FHD shooting, you can shoot without time limit, so you can use it at the scene of video production with confidence.
It also supports 4K / 60p 4: 2: 2 10bit external output via HDMI. For Log shooting, it is possible to record a wide color gamut with 14+ stop V-Log and V-Gamut, which have a wide dynamic range equivalent to that of our digital cinema cameras VariCam and S1H. This V-Log was unified even when combined with materials recorded with VariCam, S1H, S1, and MFTS GH5, GH5S, G9, etc. equipped with the same V-Log. The gamma characteristics and look allow for efficient editing.
In addition to these, it also supports HLG 4K HDR video, anamorphic shooting, and slow & quick motion shooting (4K: 1-60fps, FHD: 1-180fps). In future firmware upgrades (scheduled for 2020), we plan to support video RAW data output (5.9K / 30p, etc.) to ATOMOS NINJA V via HDMI and C4K video recording.
What about heat management?
In order to efficiently disperse the heat generated by the sensor and image processing engine, we are further evolving the heat dissipation technology and power saving technology that we have cultivated so far by utilizing our original thermal simulation and S1H and GH5.
What is the anamorphic shooting mode?
This is a shooting mode that supports the production of cinemascope-sized video works with a 4: 3 aspect anamorphic lens. Like the S1H, the S5 features a full-frame sensor that allows you to shoot with a 4-perforation anamorphic angle of view that makes the most of the expressive power of anamorphic lenses.
In addition, it is equipped with an anamorphic desk ease display function, which allows you to simulate the state of being stretched to the size of a cinemascope during shooting, so you can compose and set while imagining the finished image after editing. Is possible.
Are there any new elements in the video function that the S1 series does not have?
The S5 supports quick motion shooting that the S1 / S1R does not have, and both slow motion / quick motion shooting support AF.
When choosing S1 or S5 for video recording, what are the criteria for making it easier to understand?
The S1 is a camera with uncompromising functions and performance for professionals, and is one rank higher than the S5 in terms of viewfinder, camera shake correction, shutter, robustness, and environmental resistance.
On the other hand, the S5 is a compact and lightweight model equipped with high performance in both still images and movies, targeting a wide range of creators from amateurs to professionals.
In the video specifications, there are some parts where S5 exceeds S1, but I think that you can select it according to the purpose of still image shooting.
Does it support USB PD?
The camera body does not support USB PD, but it is possible to supply power while charging with USB or consuming some battery. Since the charger is PD compatible, quick charging is possible by combining it with a PD compatible AC adapter. We will also develop a battery charger (DMW-BTC15) that comes with a PD-compatible AC adapter.
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The can send me a review copy for PV, I have ~200K subs. But they certainly won't predict what I will say--I don't even know!
Wow.. sad
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I wrote above about this.
I had been told pair of years ago that PV, for example, could not get review samples due to "inability to predict our opinion" (exact words said!).
Guy who sent me info said that during 3 last years at least in 4 cases big leading infuencers literally cried and freaked out because of possible delay with their review body. They told how it'll make big issues, how they can't feed their family and so on.
Usually free gear are round 25-30% of all of their actual income. And preorders and affiliate sales are around 65%. For top ones affiliate income reaches 90%.
VK im surprised how many of these youtube guys got samples ,even one with like a few thousand subscribers
Please tell us the concept of LUMIX S5
The S5 is a model equipped with the high performance of the S1 series in both still images and videos in a compact and lightweight body, targeting a wide range of creators from amateurs to professionals who are particular about expressing their own work by making full use of still images and videos. It is said. The small body does not mean that the performance is reduced, but the model is equipped with the high performance of the S1 series in a well-balanced manner, so we hope that it will be used by a wide range of users.
Is it a lower end model compared to S1?
As you know, we consider it as a lower model of S1.
Since it has 24.2 million pixels, are the sensors and engine the same as the S1 series?
The sensor is the same as the S1, and the image processing engine is the same latest generation as the S1 series.
What is the major difference from the S1 series?
We started development of this S5 with the aim of realizing a compact and lightweight body. In addition to simply reducing the size and weight, we were conscious of installing the high performance evaluated in the S1 series in a well-balanced manner.
Among them, we have newly developed a small battery with a slightly reduced capacity, and also newly developed a shutter unit and camera shake correction mechanism around the mount to reduce the size and weight. The shutter achieves the same 1 / 8,000 seconds as the S1 series, but as shown in the specifications of the flash synchronization speed (S1 series: 1/320 seconds, S5: 1/250 seconds), the shutter of the S1 series is It will achieve higher accuracy.
We have newly developed a camera shake correction mechanism for the S5 in order to reduce the size and weight of the body. However, the control method for camera shake correction is the same as for the S1 series, with 5 steps for in-body camera shake correction and a maximum of 6.5 steps for Dual IS2, which is controlled in conjunction with in-lens camera shake correction. The S1 series has 6 steps of in-body camera shake correction, and the Dual IS2 has a maximum of 7 steps.
In this way, there is a difference in performance compared to the S1 series, but I think that even with this, we are able to achieve high performance in terms of shutter performance and camera shake correction performance of the S5.
There is a difference in the video recording time limit from S1H, but even with S5, there is no time limit (with temperature limit) for 4K60p 30 minutes and 4K30p 8bit, so you can shoot with confidence.
Although it has been downsized, has the structure such as the body material changed?
As with the S1 series, the body material uses a lightweight magnesium alloy frame that is strong against impact.
In addition, by utilizing our unique thermal simulation and further evolving the heat dissipation technology and power saving technology that we have cultivated in S1H and GH5, we have achieved both miniaturization and high performance.
What is the background behind the SD double slot?
First of all, in terms of managing shooting data, I thought that a double card slot that enables sequential (relay) recording, backup (simul) recording, and distribution recording is essential for safe shooting. Among them, we prioritized the miniaturization of the body and adopted the double slot of the SD card.
S1H was also SD, but also can use CFexpress
As for the type of media, the one that best suits the characteristics of the model is selected. The S1 and S1R are compatible with CFexpress, the next-generation high-speed card, but this is a result of assuming RAW continuous shooting use for still image applications. Especially for S1R, it has a high pixel count of 47M, so I think it is useful for continuous shooting.
On the other hand, S1H, whose main target is video production, is mainly used for video, but the maximum bit rate of video recording installed in S1H is 400 Mbps, which is recorded by V60 if it is the video speed class of SD card. It is possible to. Therefore, I chose SD card for S1H. We are considering using the S5 for both still images and movies, but we have selected the SD card in order to prioritize the miniaturization of the body.
Please tell us about the evolution of the AF function.
Regarding AF, we first worked on improving the performance of recognition AF. In addition to the conventional "face / pupil recognition" and "human body recognition" / "animal recognition" that utilize deep learning technology, deep learning now supports "head recognition", and by speeding up processing, people's The accuracy of capturing people, such as capturing power, detection power, and followability, has been greatly improved.
In addition, even during AFC, the new algorithm, the evolution of DFD, and the speeding up of recognition processing make it difficult for the background to disappear, and even if the subject is small, the performance is improved. With regard to AF during moving images, a new algorithm and faster recognition processing make it possible to continue capturing the subject intended by the photographer.
Which model does the AF tracking performance compare to the conventional model?
Compared to the S1 series (S1, S1R, S1H).
Are there any updates to the existing S1 series?
We would like to reflect the evolution of the AF function in the S5 with the firmware upgrade for the S1 series, and we plan to release the firmware within 2020.
From Digitimes interview
Motherboard
Guy inside Panasonic sent me info - they sent around 50% more free bodies than usual to Youtube influencers and sellers, setting absolute record for any camera gear.
Also small info from same source - around 99% of all feedback youtube reviewers provide is going directly to the email bin, they have multiple standard responses usually so it looks nice initially until you have experience, but most of the time now main part of engineers and firmware team already work on another project, so no one really care, except if it is obvious big bug.
Tech (not marketing) Panasonic side has funny calling for all this Youtube circus - "Our little ponies".
This is due to reference to child cartoon and also anal sex (that Panasonic regularly performs with them).
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