if they what people to buy their camera, especially a "PRO" branded one, they should care a lot image processing! :)
I suggest to google for stories about Samsung software development departments and their bosses.
@Vitaliy_Kiselev if they what people to buy their camera, especially a "PRO" branded one, they should care a lot image processing! :)
This is why they should have finished the camera firmware before letting people test it,
Samsung had issues with processing in all their cameras I checked. I think they do not care much.
Unfortunately @Vitaliy_Kiselev is right, they don't have a natural gran structure and the NR eats detail for breakfast. This is why they should have finished the camera firmware before letting people test it, and present some relevant samples. Those look awful :(.
Yes, most of the jpg samples look a bit smooth.
Is there any anouncement or test about the dynamyc range of the sensor?
These look much better
They can be better, but Samsung noise reduction clearly eats out natural grain. It was common for most their cameras I saw.
Some other samples:
http://www.slrclub.com/bbs/vx2.php?id=newproduct_samsung&divpage=1&no=4313
http://www.slrclub.com/bbs/vx2.php?id=newproduct_samsung&divpage=1&no=4322
http://www.slrclub.com/bbs/vx2.php?id=newproduct_samsung&divpage=1&no=4312
http://www.slrclub.com/bbs/vx2.php?id=newproduct_samsung&divpage=1&no=4293
These look much better
First High ISO test with beta firmware: http://www.optyczne.pl/7466-news-Samsung_NX1_i_NX_50-150_mm_f_2.8_S_ED_OIS_-_pierwsze_zdj%C4%99cia.html
Some samples on this page and many links to other pictures in the comments (not 100% sure about all of them) http://thenewcamera.com/samsung-nx1-sample-images/
@racer5 in 4K theoretically yes. I hope they don't screw this camera up :).
@Eno That's interesting about downsampling improving SNR. If I understand, noise structures are averaged out and smoothed on resize, meaning the ISO can be pushed further.
Fortunately adapters are cheap on eBay.
Look at this from the NX1:
http://www.slrclub.com/bbs/vx2.php?id=samsung_forum&divpage=57&no=306319&category=3
@tymeorama maybe it is a fake. I guess there is also the possibility that the camera was not setup with the correct date. Anyway such a bad high iso performance is very strange... so lets wait to see more samples to judge it properly.
@Pedro_ES when looking at the EXIF infos for the first picture (the 3200 one), it shows: "Date and Time (Original) - 2014:01:17 08:39:11 Date and Time (Digitized) - 2014:01:17 08:39:11" ... I am not sure that a sample of the NX1 was ready at this time...
I am absolutely sure it is suppose to be... but i am not absolutely sure it is :-) The author and flickr info say so, and if you check the flickr gallery it seems he is at the Photokina, but don't have more information about the source.
This is supposed to be a 3200 iso picture from the NX1
Are you absolutely sure?
This is supposed to be a 3200 iso picture from the NX1: https://www.flickr.com/photos/dailym/15258316051/in/photostream/ Quality is very poor and quite far from the the specialist in low light, the A7S.
Some high iso samples from A7S for comparison: https://www.flickr.com/photos/causeplay/14400142159 https://www.flickr.com/photos/hhackbarth/14534389049/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/vivnsect/14896265441 https://www.flickr.com/photos/avijoshi/14853753649/in/photostream/
Lets wait for the final firmware and unprocessed raw files, but although the specs are impressive, at this moment I don't like very much the image quality (in video and pictures) of the samples.
@racer5 it is a known fact that by reducing the resolution by half you gain 3dB SNR which translates to one ISO stop improvement. If you are not convinced just resize your any picture then compare it to a lower ISO. You can see this also on DXOMark, they have noise figures for full rez. and 8 MP resized image. By the way, also the DR is improved after resizing, but not as much.
@DrDave if you need lenses that gives you performance from center to borders at maximum apertures, than m4/3 is definitely the way for you to go, APSC and FF lenses have weaker performances in this regard.
@racer5 I certainly wouldn't mind using my old Nikkor & Rokkor lenses, plus the Summis, but I don't find my newer Olly & Pany lenses clinically sharp. They just look better for anything but portraits. Portraits is a different story, and here I don't have big preference, but the old primes certainly have a special look. Maybe I can rent one to try it out.
@DrDave I'll take old FF MF glass over those clinically digital m43 lenses anyday (although I've got a bunch of those too). Guess it depends what you are doing with your kit. Sounds like your not the schidt optiks demographic :p The problem with the NX1 demo vid for me is that it's too sharp.
@Eno How does resizing 28mp to 4k yield an extra stop of light?
Oh I think they will develop it, and they have a decent range. The other thing I was thinking is that even if this cam is big and heavy, it still might be worth the $$$ if it really performs. Have to really look at some comparisons with the GH4 of course.
@eno "Samsung" isn't a name that cimes to mind when I think top glass. I guess I need to keep up! :-)
@Leto for me there are very few lenses that give top performance, adapted or not. For my work, I can certainly use a mf lens, but the real gems are the ones that have it all, and for anything but non-portrait work, I need edge to edge sharpness, and I have been spoiled by the truly -sharp-wide-open primes of m4/3 system. Part of that ideal formula is the electrical connection of the lens, so that a wide panny lens lens is rectilinear on a panny body.
What good is 4K if it is not even 1080p at the edges?
I still think this is an interesting camera, and I would love to test it.
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