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Sony FDR-AX100, 4K camcorder for the masses
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  • @DrDave yes I agree with your synopsis about the value of 4K and RAW.

    @babypanda, I think people assume that you can't have great color unless you have RAW, which is of course not the case. I like the flexibility of RAW which I've been playing with on my Canon 50D, but I don't think i'd need that level of adjustment for most of the work I do. I do know that ALL of my work could use the best level of detail and I can see the use of cropping with little penalty as I do crop a lot already.

    It's not that I think i'd be using the 4K as is for most of my work, cuz I don't have that many clients who actually have a 4K TV. Who does? It's a matter of getting that level of resolution at a great price. I also think they have kept the files to a reasonable size for that level. I'm not saying this is definitely the camera I will buy, but it's an option. We still have to see what Panasonic will do. I also like the Samsung NX30. Time will tell once we get to see more real footage.

  • 4K gives you four times the resolution--in terms of resolution RAW only gives you a tiny bit more detail, if any. RAW gives you the freedom to reinterpret the white balance and gives you grading options in post; however, if you set your WB correctly, like in a shoot, you may not need the ability to change tungsten for daylight, unless you want a special effect. They are apples and oranges, and it would be nice to have both, although the storage issue would be crazy, but if I had only the option of RAW or 4K, I would always choose the 4K. It depends on the way you shoot, if I'm working in a studio and I have measured the color temperature, I still need a high bitrate but my color should be OK.

    It also depends on the market. There is no market for RAW, but there is a market for 4K. There isn't even a market for RAW audio.

    A compressed RAW option, or a limited RAW option with 4K would be ideal for me, like a version of Cineform on a hardware device that would record Cineform RAW or compressed, or h.265.

    Bottom line, that cam resolves a lot of detail. And more cams are on the way.

  • "The flexibility and power of that 4K image is sick."

    @Aria, would you mind elaborating? How is it flexible? I thought RAW was the most flexible since it's the most gradable in post. And by power you mean...resolution?

  • I agree the framing could be wider with the extra resolution. But a lot of weddings have dimly lit interiors....have to see how it works indoors.

  • It can be popular camera for weddings guys. As stabilizer seems to be good, good sensitivity, 4K allows for more relaxing framing.

  • Just looking at the footage you can't help but notice the higher level of detail. Overall Sony does a good job with all their cams, but this is a GREAT compromise. It may not be the best 4K cam out there, but for me I think it's at such a high quality level that it will be well worth it to get a better end result when reduced to 1080p. That has value IMO. I can't wait to see some real world footage where they do low light and high DR scenes etc. Can't see any real negative for the price.

  • 4k cam that probably doesn't have 10 bit or anywhere near the new ITU Rec 2020 standards

    I have bad news for you. It seems that no one care about "ITU Rec 2020 standards".

    and it's using resource hogging MPEG-4 that must be transcoded. Not quite ready for prime time.

    I really do not know that you mean here, as MPEG-4 is whole family of standards.

    Sony camera uses advanced H.264 encoder, and it is not resource hogging, quite reverse.

  • 4k cam that probably doesn't have 10 bit or anywhere near the new ITU Rec 2020 standards... and it's using resource hogging MPEG-4 that must be transcoded. Not quite ready for prime time.

    I think it would be better if we wait just a little bit more.

  • MAN! This is making my decisions so much harder. I've got my money for a BMPCC already, but cams like this make me hesitate. The flexibility and power of that 4K image is sick. Then i've got to wait and see what Panasonic is gonna do as well. I'm real anxious to see what the GH4 is gonna be like. This is gonna be a great year for gear!!!

  • specs look nice.time for sony to put bigger sensors in bit more workable form factors.

  • @kurth

    It is life, you can't get all you want.

    Here you have good sensor, very good form factor, good EVF, good encoder, even NDs.

    Lens must be real fast at focus. Yep, slow at far end, but it is life.

  • As far as I remember RX10 lens had some troubles with zoom speed and noise.

    Yea...it would obviously have needed rehousing. But the straight thru 2.8 ?

  • I just wish sony had stolen the rx10 lens straight off the camera !

    As far as I remember RX10 lens had some troubles with zoom speed and noise.

  • I have a question. Wouldn't this camera be swell at a 2:39:1 crop ? At full horizontal resolution, that would give you over 1600 lines of vertical res. Seems alot more useful than 16:9 4k to me. I'll add that to the first firmware request post. I just wish sony had stolen the rx10 lens straight off the camera !

  • @DrDave

    I think it is better than all Panasonic consumer camcorder lenses, if you will take in account sensor size.

    I think their goal here was to make sharp, small and affordable lens. And main thing it using four focus motors instead of complex mech aligning and assembly.

  • Sony Specs page: (note "golf shot" and "My Voice Canceling"; lens tops out at F4.5) http://store.sony.com/4k-camcorder-with-1-sensor-zid27-FDRAX100/B/cat-27-catid-All-Handycam-Camcorders

    That's a pretty slow lens for a small sensor.....

  • You mean his statement that you couldn't achieve shallow dof ? Or was there another more stupid blunder ?

    Whole article is quite inaccurate, including lens parameters, statements of small sensor for hand camcorder, etc.

  • I thought the Bokeh on the cam was really good. DOF was fine. The question is chunks o' grain in LL.....but I suppose you could then say that the grain is your friend, or maybe "chunkier than Bolex--but with Zeiss."

  • @Vitaliy

    You mean his statement that you couldn't achieve shallow dof ? Or was there another more stupid blunder ?

  • @kurth

    Btw. Cinema5D made one of worst and most inaccurate materials about this camera.

  • This looks like this will be the new standard for Prosumer Camcorders, and I'm sure Canon will match it shortly with an upgrade to their lineup. Nice buy-in price will hopefully put pressure on the the new Panny 4K. Kudos to Sony for bringing 4K online at a decent price.

  • 4k 60 Mbit/s?! Interesting..