And now we know why Panasonic left some important features off the GH4 even though I bet it is very much capable of doing so (like in-camera 10 bit recording, higher frame rates for 1080p and 4k, higher bitrates for 4k, a better intermediate codec, etc.)...

This thread and forum is becoming useless day by day. 40 pages with 90% of meaningless posts.

When we will have the camera on the shelf would be impossible to search for useful info. And it's the same for the rest of the forum.

I don't think I've ever seen such dislike and bitterness for a pre-release product that contains so many features that people were actually asking for. A year ago, we were bitching that the GH3 was missing X, Y, and Z - now people bitch about the GH4 (complete with XYZ) not having features of a $10K camera? Last year it was "Oh no! We have to buy a different battery! (even though battery life improved)", and this year it's "Oh no! It requires better SD cards! (even though bitrate has improved)".

It would be little wonder if managers at Panasonic are standing around looking at each other saying, "No, I don't have a fucking clue what they want either."

GEEZ! WTF is wrong with people? Today there's no patience and sense of reason for some people. It's incredible to read the comments of some. People need to get a grip. I remember back in the day working on Wall Street when we 1st got High Speed Copy machines and the Fax Machine. People lost their sense of patience and expected everything immediately. Never mind that the technology wasn't perfect. Anyone who used those early Fax machines knows how frustrating it could be to try and send a fax and not have all your other high priority work start backing up as you fussed with the fax.

The GH4 along with other new cams are giving us unprecedented quality at lower prices than ever. It really wasn't that long ago that we wouldn't dream of this level of quality at these prices. This DSLR revolution has made people lose all perspective it seems. In video the highest quality was NEVER affordable to the average consumer. Technology improvements of this level never moved at this pace at the lower cost range either.

@Tron & LJS +1!

@Tron & @LongJohnSilver +2. I have avoided commenting on GH4 because I do not have one in my hand that I can test and comment. Everything else is speculation & we have had 40 pages of it.

@flablo If you check lolodigital's posting history, you will see the same comments about the GH3. It's very easy to be critical about individual features and dynamic range is the easiest of all to criticise because sensor technology is still falling short in that area in nearly all sensors available. I just shot some great looking footage at the local beach in overcast morning light with a 3gop patch. I was surprised at how good it looked without grading. I'm sure that one could be critical of the dynamic range and slight softness when using the GH2 ETC mode, but the 1st impression when it was viewed by some friends was... WOW, what camera did you use? I can't wait to get a GH4.

@lolodigital Yeah, marketing departments tend to use percentage as a dumbed down way to sell the improvements. I wish they would stick to the actual values that are meaningful. I also agree that most of the footage that is available does not really give us a clear indication of what the GH4 will be like in a variety of common shooting scenarios. We just have to wait until we get some unprocessed original clips shot by someone that knows how to shoot properly.

Nick made good video

@Vitaliy_Kiselev @Driftwood Thanks for this exclusive, great info! And shame on anyone who doesn't appreciate your hard work getting this to us

@Vitaliy_Kiselev Very useful video! Thanks!!! I think, it would be nice to have the PV community Q&A section concerning the GH4 somewhere.

I think, it would be nice to have the PV community Q&A section concerning the GH4 somewhere.

We always have wiki, everyone who want to help can PM me. I think you already have all details and credentials.