Pocket Cinema Camera is right around the corner let's hope for the best as expected July release.

@Perder

The advantages would be cheaper, longer, more reliable recording media as well as redundant recording or proxy recording.

The disadvantages would be a bigger rig and no RAW option when recording externally only..

EDIT: I read wrong.. @Brian202020 Good points.

@peternap Yes, it has been stated several times that it will have 12-bit lossless compressed CinemaDNG straight to SD, and Blackmagic has confirmed that this feature should be ready for the initial release..

@perder:

Brain mentioned it already - to sum it up again -> External recorder (a Ninja 2 for example) because: MUCH bigger space -> Means WAY longer record time, HDDs and SSDs are usable - so no need for an expensive bunch of SDXC cards, way better handling (because the external drive is more easily swappable and transportable to your PC), the external monitor function with peaking, zebras, false color and so on is also nice and useful AND also kind of important: "Smaller" (less space taking) codecs are available if you don´t need the highest bitrates of the internal ones. Oh. And you also get the option for DNxHD and you have a redundant recording - Also very nice and useful. So a lot of "pros" for an external recorder (if you don´t need the smallest an lightest rig). ^^

I think that´s the first time I really can say: An external recorder is a VERY GOOD investment and an option for me ^^.

@Kazuo: SD is simply a storage medium, it neither compresses nor transcodes anything, the Ninja, or Blackmagic's own Hyperdeck Shuttle II for that matter just encode an incoming HDMI (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI ) output from a device be it a BMPCC or any other unencrypted HDMI source.

@kazuo: As already mentioned by brian - HDMI is always uncompressed. So you can record externally with the codec you want.

@Brian202020: Yes. The HDMI offers 10-bit YUV 4:2:2

@kazuo, there are two types of compression, lossy (most common), and lossless.

• Lossless compression is identical to uncompressed, but with smaller file sizes (like a .zip file).

• Lossy compression throws data away to get smaller filesizes. The quality depends on the codec used, the bitrate, and (less obviously) also the quality of the encoder itself. Higher bitrate = better quality, but larger files. Cameras like the GH2 use the AVCHD codec (a flavour of H.264).

• 'Visually lossless' compression is actually lossy as above, but the vendor believes you won't be able to see the lost details.

ProRes is lossy, but far less than a typical AVCHD (before hacking : ). And AVCHD is only 8bit 4:2:0, while ProRes can be better (10bit etc).

@jimmykorea You got "flamed" because you seemed to not be able to stand the fact people wanted to build a larger rig out of the BMPCC and if I'm not mistaken, you said anything that wasn't shot with cameras of the likes of Red and Alexas are shit. Not a very good thing to say on boards like this. I won't get into that because it's so far of base and uneducated that it's embarrassing. You're inability to see anybody elses opinion is what gets you in trouble here. Now for your current question. The BMPCC shoots 1080 RAW, the free version of Resolve handles up to 1080, so it's fine. You only need the paid version when you are using the 2.5k and 4k footage.

@RRRR:

Easy answer: Because it´s quite annoying to handle SD cards every 40 min. with ProRes HQ 220 (and a 64GB SDXC card for example)? And 40 minutes are not THAT long. Yes. You get 80 minutes max. with a very expensive 128GB card. But then again - No RAW recording is possible because the 128GB SDXC cards are just too slow. And actually there is only the ProRes HQ 220 codec implemented inside the camera (beside the RAW mode - as far as I know). I hope that they will also offer "lighter" codecs later (at least over firmware updates). But actually an external recorder is just the better solution.

Also don´t forget: If you want to shoot quite comfortable, you also need an external monitor - Because the internal one isn´t adjustable at all (compared to the monitors of the Panasonic GH series, the smaller Nikons or Canons - or any other video oriented cameras on the market). So you also get an external monitor with the recorder function. And also other pros are present (DNxHD option, "light" codecs are available, the external drives are WAY easier to change - no need to remove the camera from your rig - or small shoulder support - just to change the SD card ... I mentioned all together already a few posts above).

I know that you kind of "destroy" the small form factor and lightweight built. But hey - You can still choose / switch inbetween internal and external recording. ^^

The thing I don't like with the whole it's about the creativity not the camera discussion is I actually agree. the problem is I also recognise that if you want to succeed then purposely having marginally 'good enough' equipment is like your trying to cripple yourself. And my main problem is people give the same tired examples like Blairwitch, etc that was done on a cheap camera. Well they are the exception not the rule. But the consensus among everyone is that creativity trumps equipment when 99% of the time that's simply not true and ideally you really want to have both creativity and decent equipment. (And know how to use both)

Now I expect this to be deleted cause its not 'on topic'but actually it completely is cause the BM cameras are making a PRO Image possible with good dynamic range. So everything I think about other cheap cameras isn't relevant to the Pocket Cam cause I believe it is the first truly dirt cheap camera that you actually could make a movie on and not be held back by the cheapness of the equipment. Something worth getting excited about and also we can drop the whole creativity/ equipment discussion. if you make rubbish now, it's cause you are a rubbish filmmaker. We can't fall back on blaming our tools anymore.

@jimmykorea "...if you make rubbish now, it's cause you are a rubbish filmmaker."

Pushing your own reasoning to its logical end, the reason why you've been writing shit so far is because you're full of it? Spare us your rigmarole

I am going to pre-order a BMPCC today!!! It took me all this time to save up the money ....

Anyways MY question is B & H my best bet to get it the soonest?

I figured that they would probably get the largest shipment... Thoughts?

The 10 mins of footage comment makes me giggle. Tells me all I need to know about real experience. :)