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  • @Vitaliy_Kiselev I should have better contextualized. "Free trade" that works toward their elite advantage. I realize their are import/export taxes between countries.

    Separately, I should have also added that they don't want free hands out to the masses, but they want their business subsidized by the government (oil subsidies, bank bailouts). Essentially, "Everything for me and my small group. Absolutely nothing for you, save for a few pennies so you can continue being enslaved."

  • @jfilmmaker

    To reiterate, they want goods and services to travel (aka, free trade), yet simultaneously, they don't want things to smooth by allowing labor to flow freely across borders in response.

    No such thing as "free trade" exist, it is very complex mix of regulations and restrictions. And same thing exist in labour market where millions of new age slaves work each day to make current system possible. Huge number of projects are just outsourced now with local workers turned into parasites without possibility to find work for their qualification.

    On the other hand, when we talk about media, I see a large degree of cultural and ideological "smoothing." The dominant culture sells its movies, its packaged brand, form of stories and advertisement.

    They not only export such culture standard, but also create them from start till finish and oversee all delivery process destroying any real opposition.

  • While competition has been a way for our past existence, so has cooperation. I don't take a priori that large systems based on cooperation simply cannot work. I favor trying something new.

    In the US, there are two types of elites. One elite, wants to maximize his position and power, but keep the system sustainable. Hence, Warren Buffet calls for a more progressive tax structure. He likely believes in some form of fairness.

    The other type of elite wants to maximize his positions and ignores the world external to his immediate reality. This would be like the Koch brothers. If there's money that has not been acquired by his class and his allies, he will influence government using money, attempt to gather it. He is perfectly content in a world full of starvation, most of it caused by the knowing actions of his class (the suffering in the US at the minimum). But he doesn't want a fair competition. He only wants a competition that he knows he'll win. Hence, he buys elections, he attempts to use lobbyists to rewrite laws against the masses ( "Right to Work"), fights for deregulation, fights against any and all form of taxation. He wants to cut any and all redistribution of currency to the workers with the exception of police and military expenditure (i.e. he utilizes political power to revoke welfare, medicare, medicaid, public education). He disregards that if money fails to be redistributed, it accumulates at the top through many cycles of profits, unemployment goes up, and starvation eventually occurs, as food and raw materials don't simply go down, as they are determined at a global level. He apparently ignores that he may destabilize the system to the point that the masses revolt. Or, thinking that the guns are all on his side, he simply doesn't care. This is the worst kind, an absolute madman.

    In the context of that, I don't think the often conflicting needs of elites want "smoothing." Because currencies differ across borders, they maximize their exploitation through these currency differences. They want to pay workers $2/day, and they can pull that off in the third world if the dollar is high.... More accurately, I believe they want a systems that maximizes their individual capability to exploit from their personal positions of capital (some are bankers, others are oil, more yet are defense - interests overlap, and occasionally conflict in unexpected manners). Please explain how "smoothing" occurs in the present society?

    To reiterate, they want goods and services to travel (aka, free trade), yet simultaneously, they don't want things to smooth by allowing labor to flow freely across borders in response.

    On the other hand, when we talk about media, I see a large degree of cultural and ideological "smoothing." The dominant culture sells its movies, its packaged brand, form of stories and advertisement. These become adopted by the 1st world bourgoeis of the 3rd world, and are thereby imposed on the 3rd world masses as the way things work, a priori, and the cultural past gets rewritten.

  • You should consider that option 1 is for stability

    Nope, point one is not for stability in normal form, it is for survival and development of current system :-) Main goal today is globalization, hence more and more smoothing.

    Second point about nature goes exactly in agreement with first point. Current system become more and more unstable. I call it "unmanageable complexity".

    then your option is some kind of starting from scratch for things to change.

    It is words taken out of context, I am talking about organization structures that need rebuilding. And no, process won't be too easy, but result will be much more stable. Whole point is to change system to reduce complexity (using fragmentation and technology) and make it manageable (reforming organization structures).

  • @VK I dont understand exactly your problematic. As far as I have understood, you say :

    1/ elite wanting to "smooth out all real and natural things" (you disagree)

    2/ then you say : "any system that goes against nature is unstable"

    3/ then your option is some kind of starting from scratch for things to change.

    You should consider that option 1 is for stability. Elite wants statu quo and putting all things equal to the low level (income, social protection, etc.). Your option (#3) is very unstable.

  • "Equal opportunity" always sounds like a great way to start any contest. But when the contest starts, people still want their own team to have advantages to win. in practice, it's just a phase to delay the masses from overrunning your castle.

    The only real equal opportunity should be equal opportunity insulting:

  • Core is always in monkeys nature and in the principles necessary for current systems survival.

  • I think that the politics, industry and monetary system are meanwhile so interdependent that it is difficult to say where the mightiest power is.... it's quite close-knit structure, like by a soon dead man with his cancer growing in the body...

  • @tetakpatak

    Monetary system is just byproduct. Important one, but it is not absolute core.

  • If you want to advance society you need to use all available technologies and destroy and rebuild from scratch organization scructures.

    In this moment, it is still our established money trade system (and its structures) that rules just all. The new chance for new and better organizing that will happen after the thing I predict to must happen really happens: absolute crash of worlds monetary system.... and I think very, very soon.....

  • Just small addition. To fight connections and knowledge advantage you need to understand how hierarchical systems work. As this is natural way how monkeys like to organise things.

    Take any big problem and you'll find one or more of hierarchical systems that are interested in present situation :-)

    Most reforms ideas and attempts are stupid. As they do not account two things - changes in available technology and hierarchical systems. If you want to advance society you need to use all available technologies and destroy and rebuild from scratch organization scructures.

  • @jrd

    I am not talking about wealth only. Biggest advantage child of elite parents is not money, but people and things they know, their connections. Few nations that spread wide around the world share same advantage. This is just reality.

    I am also talking about individual people who are just physically not equal. So, I am all against bullshit of equality.

    Instead it is required to make system of support and competiton that could change balance fast.

  • So, I really hate all this bullshit about all created equal and having equal opportunity. And the sooner it'll be all dropped - the better.

    The phrase "created equal" just affirmed that the U.S. wouldn't enshrine in law the privileges of a hereditary aristocracy; that special privilege would not be conferred at birth. Similarly, "equal opportunity" says nothing about uniformity -- just that the wealth of the parents should not be the means by which the child's social privilege and opportunity is determined.

    Of course, none of these things are true in the U.S., but do you really want to argue that because denying inherited privilege goes against nature, we should accept a permanent hereditary aristocracy?

  • Problem here is that any system that goes against nature is unstable.

    And current system also have big issue with available resources.

    Add resources shortage to globalization and you can get chain reaction.

  • If everybody is "good", then there are no bad ones.... but there also no any great ones anymore.

    And if convoy with many ships should move in the same speed, all have to adjust their speed to: the slowest one....

    That's what I often think.