Personal View site logo
Make sure to join PV on Telegram or Facebook! Perfect to keep up with community on your smartphone.
Please, support PV!
It allows to keep PV going, with more focus towards AI, but keeping be one of the few truly independent places.
Official Panasonic GH3 topic
  • 1288 Replies sorted by
  • mpgxsvcdmpgxsvcd

    @inqb8tr

    It is just showing what true high dynamic range could look like. A lot of people claim that upping the bit rate increases dynamic range to a whole new level. I just wanted to show what a whole new level really could be.

    I wish the GH3 had a multi aspect ratio sensor. However, I can live without it. I can't live without better low light and more dynamic range. Everyone does just fine with all of the other cameras that don't have MAR.

    Interestingly all it took to get the GH2 to match the GF1 in 16:9 mode was to use a 26mm lens on the GH2 instead of the 25mm lens. Even more interesting is that the GF1 images showed that I was using a 54mm lens in 35mm terms while the GH2 showed 50mm in the EXIF data.

    It appeared that the exif data did the correct conversion.

  • inqb8trinqb8tr

    @mpgxcvd Regarding crop factor, it is not much, that's true, bu it is enough to make long awaited and pricey 12mm primes and zooms 14mm again, so to speak. I find that tendentious to compare GH2 to IR and UV modified camera that practically sees in the dark, and to conclude how much dynamic range there actually can be.

  • re9dre9d

    @everyone

    With everyone else, 4:2:2, 10bit!

    I also wish it had a WaveForm monitor... no MirrorLess has a Waveform, could it be that hard?

  • mpgxsvcdmpgxsvcd

    This video demonstrates the difference between the multi aspect ratio sensor of the GH2 and the non multi aspect ratio sensor of the new GH3. It also shows how important the additional dynamic range of the GH3 could be.

  • AKEDAKED

    If you want you can download the completer GH3 press conference here:

    http://perlichtman.com/somecamera/photokina2012/GH3_press_conference.mp4

  • valdi99valdi99

    @neveraholiday

    Focus peaking would be great too. Is there a histogram? Then you can work with that instead of zebra.

    Histogram instead of zebra??? Are you sure..?

  • otcxotcx

    People say that 1300 dollars for boby is too high. Same time Canon 6D cost in Finland 1999,90 €, And think about prize of Canon 5D mk III. Of cource it would be nice to get it with less, But it take time new hack to arrive not menttion first good settings. At that time prize will go down. Anyway in this point i will stick with my hacked GH2.

  • Amadeus5D2Amadeus5D2

    @htinla ..or go to BMC, Panasonic is now following Canon

  • LongJohnSilverLongJohnSilver

    @gh2uw

    I use the gh2 underwater and wide shots are extremely important. The king of lens is the 8mm fisheye and of course 7-14mm.

    So the increased crop factor is the worst news I could imagine.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @LongJohnSilver

    Ask @AKED, and @driftwood

  • LongJohnSilverLongJohnSilver

    @Vitaliy_kiselev

    JPEG/RAW samples taken at Photokina had long been available...

    I was referring to the video clips taken at photokina and analyzed by Lee and Nick. Any chance to have them public?

  • htinlahtinla

    Apparently Panasonic follows the old show biz maxim, "Always leave them wanting more". They design their cameras to sell the sequels. Seems to be working quite well.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @NickBen

  • NickBenNickBen

    To quote Mr. Bloom himself on his first-hand review of the GH3 prototype... "This really is a great new tool for us filmmakers. Just remember though, this is a tool…not a religion."

    So, please Excuse me for today's Sermon:

    "Life is short- love the one you're with...

    Love the hacked GH2 you have today, as I did my Sony DCR VX 1000 back in the day.

    There would be no higher love than 28Mbps/VBR without YOUR efforts, YOUR commitment, and it's a long ways off before we know what we really got with this cheap new "hussy" sensor who just strutted into town.

    So look in the mirror, and ask yourself: IF ... you Cheat on the GH2 hack with the BMCC M43 for 24p video or another body for FF stills, will she respect you in the morning? Will you respect you?

    Remember, the GH3 "says" she will DO THINGS at 60p the others won't let you...

    Unless...

    Well... (cough, hack, hack)... Excuse me for expressing my Personal-View "

    I can imagine the Marketing vs Engineering Discussions.

    Engineering: So, What are Panasonic's Priorities for this product line? Putting Extra money for improved in-house Sensor development of existing GH2 sensor, 4:2:2 and IBIS?

    Marketing: No... Dumb Americans like shiny new things. It has to cost more, so make it bigger and cost between the GH2 and 7D. Why not start with New Magnesium body, nearly waterproof, new batteries and grips, Oled Screen, wifi, headphone jack, bunch of new electronics features, etc...

    Engineering: You sure about the sensor, and have you seen the Hack?

    Marketing: Yeah, people won't notice the sensor bit, just run with the cheaper ones for better yield- and price the body and lens at $1299 each, so we can get 2 sold at the higher price...

    Engineering: But we CAN improve on the existing sensor and data rates with the same money, and pay a couple of hack testers...

    Marketing: Forget that- we got the hack buzz already and now the Zacuto Revenge Shootout buzz going. Secretary, do you know if Francis Ford Coppola said yes to our offer to Film a Short?

    Sectretary: No, he said he was slightly embarrassed and would accept nothing short of $2 million- only because of the drought and weak grapes yield... but he said his daughter was available to direct at a discount rate...

    Marketing: No, we could get Ron Howard's daughter if we wanted to go that route. Who will work cheapest?

    Sectretary: Bloom said he'll do it, but he's already been paid by Canon to be at the launch show.

    Marketing: Yeah, that'll work and get that old Zacuto test administrator guy too... "Logan... Bruce Logan"- never heard of him, but as long as Bloom's on it, the word will spread...

    (all in jest)

    Conclusion: IF Panasonic doesn't consider the GH line as anything different than a TRENDY consumer still product that now has some similar features from the consumer TM700 from 2 years ago (which shot 1080 60p, second only to Sanyo whom they absorbed), and has similar checkboxes next to modern Sony stills cams feature list, we shouldn't hold our breath.

    I'm expecting the AF200 with 4:2:2 output real soon with a smiling Jan, while a new crop of 4K consumer camcorders (other than JVC) will be coming soon in January 2013-NAB 2013, so the new feature chase can begin again, with sub-broadcast bitrates.

    Once the buzz shifts to 4K at CES (since 3D fizzled), I expect we'll only then get 4:2:2 on the GH4 or GH5 at 1080p, but not any sooner- no matter how much we or Phil Bloom pleads over a $1300 body.

    It's late here, try to laugh and have a good day all.

  • neveraholidayneveraholiday

    Another thought. The GH3 promises timecode, which is great. but how to synch it with other equipment if there is no tc-in? There is no dedicated plug and the hardware design seems to be finished. Hence, there are three possibilities to get ltc in with firmware:

    • the remote plug
    • usb
    • wifi (with special hardware for other end of connection)
  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @ghkqn

    All prerelease GH2 cameras also had 0.3 version as I remember, after this I do not know any versions before 1.0.

  • ghkqnghkqn

    With just 1 camera at a major global show, a FW 0.4, it appears the GH3 may not be far enough in the development cycle for the SW part. A 0.4 release means they only have 3 or 4 point releases for bug fixes and/or adding features and it also means the product is only at the beginning of the system test/verification cycle. I seriously doubt the GH3 is ready for full production ramp in 7 weeks. But then large corporations are known to give birth to babies prematurely.

  • thepalaliasthepalalias

    Starts going further away to the "Island of Non-Violent Solutions"

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    We catnap their pets and threaten to shoot them with Canons

    No, no, It's too cruel. And with Canon... No... I think chopping one manager will be enough.

  • kavadnikavadni

    To force panasonic to give us 4:2:2 via HDMI is easy.

    We catnap their pets and threaten to shoot them with Canons

  • inefabinefab

    @tgoode Of course there is a profit margin, this cam is two days old, and this topic have already 31 pages !

  • B3GuyB3Guy

    @thelpalpasilas

    dyslexia is a very real, very serious and frustrating crime that is to be punished severely. It is no smiling mater.

  • tgoodetgoode

    As many others mention, they have priced this camera too high. Sure they will make good sales with the price at $1300, but by this time next year it will be $999 for the body.

    As mentioned by Panasonic execs, they plan on keeping up with the semi-pro market because there is still a profit margin there, unlike televisions and phones.

  • CRFilmsCRFilms

    I'm serious. I'll even amend it and make it 4:2:2 output. Happily lose $20 for that, but I feel safe making that donation.

    Any other takers?

  • thepalaliasthepalalias

    @Vitaliy_Kiselev Okay, put me on record: if Panasonic can deliver that at a sub $2k price in a short time-frame, I will make it happen. :)

    I think I could either arrange that (at a medium to small concert hall) or a recording of it at one of the top 3 studios in L.A., but not both.

    I can make it happen without additional funds, but the result might be better if I did a KickStarter.

    Just to clarify, would the "clean 4-4-4 recording" be internal or via HDMI or other output jack?

This topic is closed.
← All Discussions