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Making GH2 the ENG camera
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  • @Galvoguru

    I am looking forward to your design. Yes, modding a new camera is a difficult personal choice! Unfortunately we haven't yet sourced any bricked GH2s to play with. As much as I want to, I haven't opened my own.

  • @Roberto. Yes, it would be nice to have a 'donar' GH2 so we could all have a real good look at it. Bottom line though is that I cannot use the camera in the field as it is so whether I like it or not I'm going to have to come-up with a design. When I make any progress or have some useable info I'll start a new topic. Don't know what you think? But I have tested the GH2 with an external mic (cam audio set on minimum sensitivity) and I thought the quality was fine, not too much system noise and the frequency response sounded good. The mics amps used on the input to the GH2 aren't the best BUT they are 'low noise' types...

  • Results of my setup. Used a basic Ebay shoulder mount. Small12v brick battery w/d-tap to power the lens. Strapped the batter to the back of the shoulder mount for ballast. All hand held. Rode Video Mic just plugged directly into the GH2. Fujinon 15x lens. Note: that you will get some soft corners and CA wide open. Things clean up nicely at f4, great at 5.6. The better lenses are the Canon "J", not "YJ". As well as the Fuji Pegasus III are pretty good. My lens is an average quality Fujinon. Your mileage will vary. Backfocus is critical to get a sharp image. Though I have not tried it yet, someone stated that a crossover lens would solve the soft corners issue. But they are more expensive.

    With some of the new power zoom "PZ" Panasonic lenses, the ENG features are becoming more incorporated IMO. Then you could still have use of the electronics and OIS. Just waiting for a higher max f-stop version of the PZ lenses and then you could ditch the whole 2/3 ENG experiment IMO.

  • @Galvoguru - Yes, please! When somebody finally achieves a hardware hack it will certainly deserve its own thread! May the force be with you.

    @Mikel Very good use of ENG technique. I would like to see your setup.

    Those of us who've learned that kind of coordination know it can only be achieved with an intimate body-machine practice where all the controls are at our fingertips.

    Compared to that, most rigs are like taking a shower in a raincoat.

    For me, the idea of using both hands just to hang onto my camera is ruled out. The handles of my so-called shoulder rig are still in the box they came in. That kind of setup is fine for composed shots, but not for this little black duck. I'd even like to be able to pick up any DSLR rig and have my fingers fall naturally upon the buttons.

    Like others, I'd love to use my SP parts [the mics are good]. I even like the Steam Punk,street-cred look of the full camera with GH2 at its heart. Its weight will also stabilize it for shooting. But I have no 1995 nostalgia for that 10 KG on my 2012 shoulder.

    Even if we do nothing else, a finger (or thumb) record button isn't rocket science.

    image

    (from http://www.robotroom.com/Macro-Photography-2.html)

    also see External Shutter Trigger Circuit for GH2? thread at http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/1141

  • @mikel. The results you're getting seem to be typical of what others (including myself) have seen. I have a couple of J lenses, the image quality isn't bad but I've not really had time to see how the images look when using the camera on a 'real' job (need to get the audio side of things sorted first). The softer image from an SD lens may look quite nice, the softness is 'organic' and in some situations may help to give a smoother look to the picture. When you viewed your footage on a 'big screen' and at full resolution what where your first impressions? @Roberto. Using the external mic socket for record trigger is not an option I'm going to go with. For me (IMHO) the external socket is of more use for using external mics (although it wouldn't be difficult to have 2 different lead configurations so you could swap between ext trigger use or ext mic use). Thanks for the info re the trigger voltages, this confirms the tests I did in our earlier communications. Re the audio control box, I was going to include switchable 48 Volts for both channels as well as a mic/line switch and gain controls. There would be a headphone amp and monitoring could be switched between CH1(L)/CH2(R) or 'mix' (1+2). The one thing that's not here is monitoring the playback audio (witout using an external monitor), the only way to solve this is to take a tap off the internal speaker (as I've already mentioned) but of course this means opening-up the GH2 and having a flying lead for the signal (not very nice...), I don't like the idea of drilling a hole in the body for a socket. Either way I need to make a decision here. I do want a remote trigger for the record function and I'm looking at the possibility of using a small solenoid to operate the record button. If you have any suggestions please let me know...

  • @Galvoguru

    If you're reluctant to drill into the case, it gets hard. A 2-position solenoid would enable soft press for focus. Maybe we could consider using a similar extension ribbon for the shutter button as I suggest for the LVF - either re-locate the whole button to the handle outside or else a 2-position SPDT momentary switch. (Once again, you can see how parts salvaged from a bricked GH2 would be great). Of course, A Hirose->Lens control unit patch is highly usable.

    BTW, see what you can make of @svart 's incursions into the idea of, say, a break-out box connected to the mic input PCB as an alternative to the external input socket, thereby freeing it up for use as a remote shutter.

    I must admit my own dedication to 3/4 ENG lenses has its limits. I would like to create a DSLR->ENG adapter rig which will out-live the present GH2 and onto GH3 and beyond. I want to make use of the new while not throwing away what works in ENG.

  • @Galvoguru

    The adapter was actually homemade, from the existing CCD block combined with a M4/3 minolta adapter I fit on there. Not ideal but I didn't have the budget when I started the project to get a 300$ B4 to M4/3 adapter. Eventually I do want to modify the rig to have one of those adapters, and make it so I can put on other adapters as well..

  • @Roberto. Yes I did read the input from @svart, and it's another possibility. I did wonder if a modified GH2 would actually be worth more than a 'standard' one, I guess I'm thinking of re-sale value, people may be prepared to pay more for a modified GH2 that had a dedicated remote socket and headphone socket as well as the existing mic/remote socket, there could be a business opportunity here LOL...

  • @Galvoguru

    Yes, you just might be right - a modded GH2 just could become a sought-after item, like a Bolex Super-16 conversion. Or, on the other hand, like the original Sony Walkman, the original item itself may gain cult value, as untouched as possible. I learned the hard way - I drilled a hole in my Walkman for an external mic; worked perfectly but destroyed the value. :-(

    All these decisions can really only be dealt with using risk analysis, even if to some, a $700 camera seems small. Companies practise risk analysis for everything. Once you learn the basics you'll be ready to understand how the GH2 got built and sold the way it is.

    I'm attaching a simple Risk Analysis Calculator spreadsheet, written by a Dr Gary Hinson. I've filled-in some example parameters I can think of, but haven't allocated given numeric values to any of the fields. That's up to you. Look for tool-tip explanations. The numbers in red boxes are the calculations which the spreadsheet does for you, according to weightings Dr Hinson has worked out.

    [Sorry about the Implement Selective Training title of the spreadsheet; I forgot to change that from my last analysis].

    Whether or not you find the calculation meaningful, the simple act of writing it all down adds up to dealing with it.

      On the other hand, there are
    • Risk Management procedures to be employed, reducing or eliminating each threat
    • Benefits to be added up (another calculation - just make it up yourself)

    I must add, I have one benefit of my own which I must balance against the risks: Without modding things to do what I want, I suffer frustration which doesn't go away. So sometimes I open something up immediately on purchase, voiding the warranty just to get that out of the way! Modding gives me the satisfaction of taking control of what I've paid for.

    risk-analysis.xls
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  • My humble apologies, I am planning to setup an old Angenieux servo B4 lens on Gh2, and quite happy I find this old thread.

    Do you happen to have the schematic for GH2 lens Jack ? Tho there are people selling on Ebay nowadays its still...$100 dollars quite pricey for a college student. I am not a technical person but this will be a good experience.

    Now... to save up for that lens adapter!

    Thank you!