@VK, do you think USA never land on the moon ?

I totally agree.

@flash

It had been quite fun as previous Chinese mission guys explained why resolution of photos was so low that it is impossible to check Apollo sites :-)

Usually each mission always go right before important moment in economic relations, this one is big warning to Baiden as he needs to keep promises and dismantle most tariffs.

Even popular culture, now preparing Chinese kids to go to the moon and work at first Chinese restaurant on lunar surface :)

From Shanghai Pearl Studio Film and Television Technology Co., Ltd and Netflix, a US/China Coproduction.

OVER THE MOON (2020) is a musical adventure about a girl who builds a rocket ship to travel to the moon in order to prove to her father that a legendary Moon Goddess ( Chang'e ) really exists. When she gets to the “other side” she unexpectedly discovers a whimsical world filled with fantastical creatures - some of whom threaten her and others who ultimately help her find her way home

@radikalfilm

so your contention is Apollo missions 10 through 17 have been deep faked, and the Chinese will use that as geopolitical blackmail.

Also Apollo-Soyus had been faked. Actually it had been most fun fake.

I think China already have nice proof, but they want to make it into atomic bomb like force impact on US morale.

Right now US are sure that they can negotiate the terms, as Chinese elites are similar opportunists to USSR ones. But if something will happen inside China - the bomb can detonate.

If it wasn't faked, they would find artifacts left on the moon, including:

Bottom half of Lunar Module/Lander

TV camera

Tools, shovels

Objects and equipment for scientific experiments

The Lunar Roving Vehicle (LRV)

Various personal artifacts, golf balls, Apollo 16 Charles Duke’s family photo

Disposal Bags of human waste

US Flag

footprints on surface, if not worn away

If faked, where did the moon rocks come from? A meteorite from Papua New Guinea?

If faked, Biden has to really rush to plant those things on the moon ASAP :)

@Psyco "so many possibilities" exactly, however I don't think there's a scenario where the Chinese could prove beyond doubt the US landings didn't happen, even if it were actually true. They'd be "cancelled", explained away, or dismissed as propaganda. All they could do convincingly is confirm the landings did happen, if they actually did :-)

This mirror that you speak of, does it have known coordinates? Can anyone with the proper laser and targeting bounce a signal off it? This is independent 3rd party confirmation. Still, the mirror could just be on the back of a rover, and rovers have been done for sure, by the US, USSR, and recently China.

I don’t think many would give a shit in the US if this is the case. Personal identity for most here is so so far removed from that kind of nationalism on technology. The new god here is the self not the nation. Selfish motherfuckers here.

People are more likely to develop health issues with extended time in space, such as cardiovascular and sleep disruptions. But why? Scientists might have an idea. They’ve published research indicating that mitochondria, the energy-producing “powerhouses” of cells, may play a key role. Bodily fluid samples from many other astronauts also supported claims that mitochondrial activity changed while in space.

The potential breakthrough came in part thanks to NASA’s open-source GeneLab platform.

The findings reinforce concerns that astronauts could face significant health challenges going forward, particularly for trips to the Moon and Mars. The discovery could be crucial to overcoming those problems, however.

Note that all 100% NASA fake moon trips had zero health issues and overall they felt like even better than before the trips.

Problem had been that NASA at the time had zero knowledge of real problems that happen during such trip.

@jleo

As NASA at the Apollo time still couldn't even make rocket to go around the earth one time (all rockets, including all Apollo ones just fall into ocean not getting enough attitude) - they did not care.

@radikalfilm

these are very tall claims to make! Not only the entire Apollo program, but much of the Mercury program too would have to have been faked!

It is actually only very mild statements. But causes had been purely technical and organization. yes, and von Braun played big role also.

Disputing the actual landings is one thing, disputing orbital capability is quite another. Not even Sputnik (the Kremlin propaganda media agency) would dare making the claims you make, for which of course you have no evidence.

Disputing US moon program actually (in all serious guys whom I checked) start from early suborbital flights (US had been also open that they are suborbital).

You will be surprised, but actually guys who infiltrated soviet space program worked hard to destroy as much as they can. Now our space agency is mostly bad joke that live on the remains of great institutions and factories, but they are going down one by one. Recently they closed in Moscow some core of them as making cheap buildings and selling them via credits is more profitable for new owners (in the range of 3-4 years until they will flee into EU).

What about the Soviet program, Vitaliy? Did the Laika doggie make orbit? Did Gagarin make orbit? If he did, why couldn't von Braun replicate what the USSR-bound portion of his Peenemünde team achieved?

All is ok with soviet program. CIA and NASA had direct access for around 4-5 years during early 90s to check and steal lot of stufff.

Because USSR made huge new industry with tens of thousands of new specialists and hundreds of factories, at least 15 new big science research facilities, contrary to US, who still focused on von Braun.

USSR started to be worse in computers and electronics, but only due to the fact that elite group who finally made USSR destruction in 86-91 years already got tight grip on this sector in late 60th (but due to organization they did't have access to some military part of electronics and corresponding factories).

Important aspect also is geography, as US did not care so much on efficient very long range missiles (having much better carriers, bombers and ability to put nuclear missiles in EU).

@Nino_Ilacqua

Arguments in this thing are quite old.

Falsification of landing is pretty cheap to do and not require any CGI.

Do not know about US, but even is distant Mordor we have 4-5 widely known people who get full time salary (around 4-5x of salary of same local offers) and their official job is go around and support NASA (both offline and online, as it is full time job). Some of them are required to make similar videos and send reports of their doings. One of them some years ago openly told that all 100% of photos, arguments and video parts had been sent to him directly by NASA (but they asked that is should be presented as independent arguments). Officially NASA is not involved in all this directly, btw and always deny it.