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Capitalism: Mordor elites are secret socialism lovers
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  • I plan to learn more about oriental philosophies aging 1000+ years. Frankly that seems to be more relevant to my daily life than ideologies from last century. Yes I see the major shifting from western philosophies to eastern philosophies in this century.

  • @stonebat

    You seems to be lost.

    Remember that philosophy is just depiction of real issues and society. Idea to escape from complex modern problems into nicer old ones is not more than escape. Even if it is called nicer.

  • I disagree. Eastern philosophies existed a way before capitalism and communism. It bodes well with living in harmony with nature. And it doesn’t promote free meal or hunger for more power, either.

  • My interest is Tao Te Ching. That is older than confucianism. I don’t think there is much left in China about it because CCP destroyed China’s old traditions and philosophies. Idiots...they destroyed Chinese people’s family and moral values. I don’t wanna live in the world driven by CCP preaching “for the progress”. Tao Te Ching is about restoring human morals. No ideological dream is going to restore that.

  • @stonebat

    I disagree. Eastern philosophies existed a way before capitalism and communism. It bodes well with living in harmony with nature. And it doesn’t promote free meal or hunger for more power, either.

    You are just beginning to research history of philosophies. All this old thingies actually promoted that had been nice for their ruling class. Some modern books try to drive away attention to it, as modern western ruling class found it nice way to channel educated guys into them during 60-70th years.

  • @stonebat

    I don’t wanna live in the world driven by CCP preaching “for the progress”.

    Don't want? Well, in this case get COVID, after this another one, miserable life, new Green deal, right after this ecological fascism and more misery.

    It is nice to bury the head in the sand and wait for nice thing to happen, but riling class has nice plans for your ass that is sticking up :-)

  • Confucianism was a bit for ruling classes. Tao Te Ching was not.

    No one can engage fully in daily life and know what is really going on in the world at the same time. Especially in this time of rising AI, spending more time in philosophies can be more fulfilling than discussing more about one of many possibilities of future.

  • @stonebat

    Tao Te Ching was not.

    Issue is that all, 100% popular and widely known philosophies had been created either by exploiters directly or creators had been 100% sponsored by ruling class. As all other guys had been busy working all the time.

  • That may be true for western philosophies. But not true for eastern philosophies that have been ignored for many years.

    Tao Te Ching says nature have things that cannot be described in words and it’s perfectly ok. Many things in life and nature are adjectives, not nouns.

    See the fall sky. “Wow so blue.” That is perfect. One could describe autumn sky with gozillions of scientific terms and elements. But there are always some mysteries and unknowns, and one has to work relentlessly to find “it” which is often quite subjective. And opinions become convictions then conflicts then propaganda. If one can’t find their own convictions, life becomes meaningless then embraces post modernism cultures to find meaning out of seemingly chaotic world. That’s sad.

    “So blue” is enough for me.

  • @stonebat There is a theory that some of the piramids of Egipt including the great one where actually some kind of temples where they took little children and learn them they're science and philosophy and how ra created everything so beautiful. When growing up to 20 years old they've bring them out of darkness to the outside world with great ceremony...now can you imagine how great they're conviction was(assuming that it was so) and voila they had a unshakable ruling class.

    Now they replicate this on a global scale with the rulers on top of the piramid and the masses always in the darkness.

    So good luck with “So blue” is enough for me. It's kind of utopia long ago devoured thru the ages...

  • @stonebat

    See the fall sky. “Wow so blue.”

    It reminds me our our cult song that fits perfectly here

    As long as braggarts live among the men,
    We ought to praise our lucky fate no end!

    Oh, such a blue sky makes me wonder,
    We're not proponents of armed plunder:
    For blowhard you don't need a knife,
    Just let him hear your fawning fife,
    And he is yours for life!

    As long as avid folks pervade the lands,
    We won't let our fortune out of hands!

    Oh, such a blue sky makes me wonder,
    We're not proponents of armed plunder:
    For meanie you don't need a knife,
    Just show him silver dime or five,
    And he will sell his wife!

    As long as fools exist, (Lord, bless their souls!)
    Deception will be our way to roll!

    Oh, such a blue sky makes me wonder,
    We're not proponents of armed plunder:
    To deal with fool a knife won't do,
    Just tell him one tall tale or two
    To make him fall for you!

    Oh, such an azure sky above us,
    These three live on, and fortune loves us.
    Thank God, for they will never end,
    And as they say, the game will tend
    To walk straight into bag!

    See how perfect the narrative and words fits the ruling class main purpose :-)

  • @stonebat

    Btw, amazing book https://www.amazon.com/Bury-behind-baseboard-Pavel-Sanaev/dp/1499227868/

    is directly connected to this family who sing a song, book written by son who lived in grandparents family :-) Recommend.

  • Suppose all those things have been lies. And you know damn well those are lies. 100% conviction! Zero doubt! Then what did you do today other than googling for finding more evidences to assure yourself so that you know you are right? And who cares if you are right or wrong other than yourself? I’m not saying you are necessarily wrong. But I’m pointing out the spiral cycle. This gets so complex.

    I took a walk yesterday and saw the sky. So blue. Simple and true. There is nothing more or less to say. Nope I don’t need to google either, and I don’t need to work hard to convince anyone about sky being so blue.

  • Seems fair to me.

  • The level of complexity I’m talking about is something like this

    It got comments: “I want this guy to represent us when aliens show up” “This is like watching 100 Ted talks in one seating.”

    When you know so much about so many things, you’d realize our current world is just one of many possibilities. Not so great. No so terrible either. And you are so smart to project all possibilities in the future. But it’s so many that it’s as if not speaking at all. For example, “Here are 1000 possibilities. Each one carries same probability. So pick any one with 0.1% of getting it right.”

    Let’s say someone says “Here are only two futures. This or that. This one is evil, and that one is good.” Crystal clear! Nice! But I am 99.9% sure that the person is likely to be wrong.

  • @stonebat

    Ouch, Lex Fridman returns.

    Note that all 100% of his interviews are pro capitalist mostly highly idealistic bullshit (like this one). Even if it all sounds complex and important it does not mean that it has no purpose to trick your mind and logic.

    It is direct, 100% direct connection, between anti soviet and anti communist lies from previous video and idealistic nice looking AI crap that represent big part of his channel content. Lex Fridman is the warrior on the front that is fighting to prevent real science progress, real AI progress.

    Suppose all those things have been lies. And you know damn well those are lies. 100% conviction! Zero doubt! Then what did you do today other than googling for finding more evidences to assure yourself so that you know you are right? And who cares if you are right or wrong other than yourself?

    Issue with capitalist lies is that they need big majority of ordinary people to believe in them (hence why Fridman channel is heavy promoted, for example, it is just niche, of course). As it is less and less capitalists around, more and more monopolies, so they need to work hard. If it will be 100-150 less people who will eat this shit after reading this topic - it is already very good and dangerous for capitalists.

  • I didn’t say either Friedman or his guest is correct.

    You can narrow down to only a few choices and pick one with high conviction. Or you can broaden choices to many possibilities and increase the chance to include one possibility that matches to actual event when it happens. But it’s very hard to pick one possibility with high conviction and get it actually right at the end.

  • @stonebat

    I didn’t say either Friedman or his guest is correct.

    You don't get the point. Issue is not that they are incorrect, issue is that people are being paid for to make interviews and tell you stuff that will make your life more miserable. This guys are your enemies. They are elegant and smart looking, but are enemies, similar to Waffen SS Hitler guys (and have similar goals).

    You can narrow down to only a few choices and pick one with high conviction. Or you can broaden choices to many possibilities and increase the chance to include one possibility that matches to actual event when it happens. But it’s very hard to pick one possibility with high conviction and get it actually right at the end.

    You slide to idealism constantly. This happens as capitalists actually prevent you (and most people) in taking part in decision making and real transformation work. But solution is not in ancient philosophies or in juggling nice sounding terms. Solution is to throw parasites out and get life in your hands, so real problems solutions will be discussed and real science progress will start, where it won't be any Lex Fridman's and if they will attempt to interfere - they'll be at least in labor camps.