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Panasonic DC-BGH1 m43 Cine camera, stone on Z-CAM grave
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  • kurthkurth

    for 2.5g's you could rig an e2-m4 with the new evf, their eos speedbooster and grip . This camera is sounding like it's a pole cam or in a bullet time array....or buy an x-t4 or gh5 instead...w/lens. this is an institutional camera , made for institutions...who are the only ones , at the moment, with any liquid capital.

  • radikalfilmradikalfilm

    @endotoxic u are 100.5% wrong. This camera has no bearing on the GH line, the codecs aren't there, the IBIS isn't there. GH5 could've be used unrigged in a pinch. This body is a mash-up of studio broadcast tech with the parts bin from S1 and GH5.

    Now, do I think I'd have a use for it? @ $2.5k I certainly would, but I live at the intersection of broadcast and videography, and I earn a living from broadcast. My use case would be "industrial" videos, not cinematography. I'd rig it to a pole, on a car mount, or a small crane. It would replace the GH2 I still use for those shots.

    For free-movement cinematography shots, this camera will require a gimbal (Moza Air 2) AND a monitor-recorder (Ninja V 4K with Prores RAW). Stationary shots will require full cinema rigging, but few DoPs see value in the m43 sensor size, they go for at least S35/APS-C, and rightly so. The use case of unobtrusive videography /documentary is lost with this camera body, no matter what.

    TL:DR not a successor to GH5, but useful for niche users already invested in m43 (lenses etc). (Larger) broadcast studios will have none of this, for a multitude of reasons. Smaller existing studios will consider it as a cheap upgrade path to 4K (update: I noticed SDI out is only 3G, so not even this upgrade path is posibile). Studio camera operators will complain about the lenses and focusing situation. Smaller multicam events will consider it too, if that market ever comes back when corona is done with us.

  • endotoxicendotoxic

    This camera will be arround $2.5k it is what gh6 was suppose to be.

    Final Edition m4/3 monster in my pocket.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @Sph1nxster

    I think Z-CAMs with ethernet used for connection is cheaper for multicam system.

  • Sph1nxsterSph1nxster

    Totally get what you mean. Budget is a huge consideration. Many churches want a multicamera feel but don't have the money to say buy 3 ursas. If you can get three of these bodies for the price of an ursa then this is already going to do well. Installations I am thinking of would of course have operators. Also gen lock not required, I just mean the physical locking connection. The amount of broken hdmi connections I have encountered is silly.

  • radikalfilmradikalfilm

    @Sph1nxster do you mean to say you genlock your sdi cameras at the church? Really.... Or do you just mean the physical connector :-) Again, I don't understand the combination of features on this camera. It has serious studio functions, but in a form factor not used in any large scale studio, and with no lenses to match studio use. It requires an operator, and not many will be willing to rig this instead of using a full size studio body. To witness, the smallest form factor to have Genlock and TC from Sony is/was the F3. Small studios would use PTZ cameras.

    Theater? yes, maybe. That's an actual use case to need genlock, where one frame delay from the mixer's TBC is one frame too many. Now, is this a big business? (crickets). I don't get it, but just because I don't understand doesn't mean Panasonic hasn't figured out a niche business case for the feature set and form factor.

  • Sph1nxsterSph1nxster

    Ptz is mostly what I install and help people to use. This paired with a olympus 40-150 is excellent for concerts, church, theatre etc. Reliable locked sdi connections and dc power. Blackmagic has the ursa line but it is too heavy. The micro series is bad in low light. If this can even do low light like a GH5 then this will be a winner

  • WalkaboutcameraWalkaboutcamera

    Found another image https://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/canon-and-panasonic-cine-camera-leaks

  • radikalfilmradikalfilm

    @Sph1nxster yeah but if you're going for a small studio cam (no operator), why wouldn't you do a robotic PTZ setup? I could see the use case for events/concerts, but this has Genlock and TC, which is studio. There are no native broadcast m43 lenses (that I know of). Such an odd thing, this camera is.

  • Sph1nxsterSph1nxster

    Very excited about this announcement. Could be a great multicam studio camera

  • radikalfilmradikalfilm

    those three BNCs must be minis to fit in 93 x93 x 78. This thing is a niche broadcast cam for multicam events.

  • WalkaboutcameraWalkaboutcamera

    Blurry image from slashcam

    https://www.slashcam.com/news/single/DC-BGH1---Does-Panasonic-bring-an-MFT-broadcast-ci-16095.html

    The blurry lens part is to big for the the stated size in the leaked specs. It is about right for the bmmcc or bmmcc. Vitaly is this the image you saw on 43rumors before it was taken down.

  • kurthkurth

    smaller than the e2-m4 ...a little box...with surprises inside ?

  • WalkaboutcameraWalkaboutcamera

    More specs https://www.43rumors.com/more-leaked-panasonic-dc-bgh1-cine-mft-camcorder-specs/

    Some one speculating the b is for broadcast.

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    745 x 776 - 101K
  • gamangaman

    Price will look not so...

  • DrDaveDrDave

    Looks good.

  • endotoxicendotoxic

    So it’s Gh5S Starvis Sony sensor with S1h LSI and z-cam form factor with 60fps when that sensor can output 120fps o assume it will come on future updates.

    This boy should come out 2 years ago. Bad timing as ALLWAYS PANAFRIEND.

  • radikalfilmradikalfilm

    I wonder what is the meaning of 4:2:2 10bit "RAW". Just saying..

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    Specs

    • 10.28mp m43 sensor
    • m43 mount
    • LSI used in older L mount cameras
    • C4K 60P 4: 2: 0 10-bit (H.265 / HEVC) Internal recording
    • Camera lacks any low compressed internal recording
    • C4K 60P 4: 2: 2 10-bit RAW video (HDMI output)
    • Dual native ISO
    • Double cheap SD cards slot
    • Wi-Fi / Bluetooth
    • 11800mAh VBR battery
    • 93.0×93.0x78.0mm
    • 545g (main unit only)
  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @radikalfilm

    As far as I remember it was some blurry mess and it was ala Canon C70 or such.

  • radikalfilmradikalfilm

    I understand there was a picture of this thing, which has been removed. What's the form factor, does anyone know? More or less a cube (Z-cam like)? More like Canon with a side grip?

  • PauloTeixeiraPauloTeixeira

    It's just a plate for the GH1 and GH2 cameras.

    https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1326710-REG/really_right_stuff_bgh1_l_l_plate_for_panasonic_lumix.html

    Joking aside, it would be nice if this had either 8K or at the very least 4K 120p.

  • endotoxicendotoxic

    It may be like a z cam e2 m4/3

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