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In an open letter to the WHO, 239 scientists in 32 countries have outlined the evidence showing that smaller particles can infect people and are calling for the agency to revise its recommendations. The researchers plan to publish their letter in a scientific journal.
Even in its latest update on the coronavirus, released June 29, the WHO said airborne transmission of the virus is possible only after medical procedures that produce aerosols, or droplets smaller than 5 microns.
Its infection control guidance, before and during this pandemic, has heavily promoted the importance of handwashing as a primary prevention strategy, even though there is limited evidence for transmission of the virus from surfaces. (The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention now says surfaces are likely to play only a minor role.)
Dr. Benedetta Allegranzi, the WHO’s technical lead on infection control, said the evidence for the virus spreading by air was unconvincing. “Especially in the last couple of months, we have been stating several times that we consider airborne transmission as possible but certainly not supported by solid or even clear evidence,”
If airborne transmission is a significant factor in the pandemic, especially in crowded spaces with poor ventilation, the consequences for containment will be significant. Masks may be needed indoors, even in socially-distant settings. Health care workers may need N95 masks that filter out even the smallest respiratory droplets as they care for coronavirus patients.
Claim actually means that it is time for leading WHO experts to go to jail for lifetime.
And again N95 masks as some top choice, ti is wrong. It is cheapest possible choice for public in places where it is very low virus.
Current NHS guidelines stipulate FFP3 face masks (aka P100, P3, etc) for virus and bacterial infection control when the contagion is spread through aerosol.
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All states should have stopped air traffic sooner, instituted a 2 week quarantine for all new arrivals, had lockdown for a couple months, mandated wearing face masks, guaranteed housing security, monthly stimulus checks, ordered social distancing and made mail-in voting available to all and there would have been few new cases.
Vietnam, a densely populated country of 90 million that borders China, its second largest trading partner and number one in tourism, took the threat seriously and as a result has had no new cases of community infection for months, and zero deaths in all. The only ones I saw flouting social distancing and face mask wearing rules here in Saigon were expats, the majority of whom appear to be rabid white nationalist Trump supporters.
No bullshit half-measures. No executive orders demanding immigrant workers return to meat packing plants so Tyson and Purdue could make record profits selling pork to China. No early reopening as cases are spiking. No criminally liable president telling citizens to inject disinfectant or claiming that the virus is a hoax.
Oh, and did I mention free testing and treatment for all? Oh right, that’s socialism according to “I take no responsiblity” Trump. LOL Fuck the WHO: a swift and fair trial of the current corrupt administration in January!
Funny that practically all Vietnamese adore Trump, because if he were their leader, we’d be seeing cases spiralling out of control like in the USA, Brazil and elsewhere.
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I think you did not get the point. Social distancing thing actually play negative role, as lot of people inr eality do not wear mask due to this claims.
All else is impossible to do in US.
Vietnamese adore Trump because country is going along capitalist path now, so elites try to promote same values Chinese elites did sicne 80s.
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Fighting viruses in 21th century using just regulations is stupid.
We long time need specilalized virus based RNA medications.
One of them main versions considering COVID is that it is preliminary virus (that left lab early) version aimed to fight AIDS by spreading naturally throught population.
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Don’t talk to me about BS, dude.
Nobody here really cares what you believe. Firstly, if you actually were Vietnamese, you'd know that Covid-19 testing is available in Vietnam. Furthermore, any logical person would understand that if there were a raging pandemic in Vietnam, hospital beds would be full, people would practice social distancing and businesses would be closed. Not a single person I know has a family member, friend or acquaintance suffering from the disease. Nobody on social media either! Are you even capable of rational thought?
Think about it: there is mass media coverage of the pandemic in virtually every country on earth - none can hide the severity of the disease or its consequences. But you think Vietnam is more clever than the rest? wtf Or perhaps you think there is a conspiracy of silence on twitter, facebook, instagram, reddit, youtube and tiktok. Stop being a brainwashed sheep and think for yourself!
I trust the Vietnamese government to take swift and decisive action against the pandemic more than your white nationalist friend Trump and his criminal administration.
Testing and treatment are free here - in America, millions will go bankrupt and lose their homes because of medical debt and corruption in government. Even before the pandemic, 500,000 Americans declared bankruptcy each year because they could not pay their medical bills.
Whether a country is communist, socialist or capitalist has little to do with anything - except we do know that two extreme right wing countries in the Americas are among the hardest hit. That you think only capitalist countries tell the truth shows that you are brainwashed by the media.
All businesses here in Vietnam have reopened. People can travel by bus and plane. Hospitals are not treating patients with corona virus (only a few patients remain anyhow).
All Vietnamese except you (if you are even really Vietnamese living in Vietnam, which I doubt!) know there is no more virus here. I talk with them. I live with them. Vietnamese don’t trust their government - but they do trust their own eyes and ears! Not even the large number of right wing Trump-loving expats living here in Saigon think that the Vietnamese government is lying about the coronavirus.
Good luck dude!
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You are right, let destroying the planet continue. Give big pharma all control over billions of lives! Great plan! Remdesivir will cost $5,000 to uninsured Americans. It can take decades to develop a vaccine, during which time, millions of lives will be lost. I didn't realize you were such a capitalist. lol
And you are mistaken why most Vietnamese like Trump - it’s because he began a trade war with their enemy China - and it’s the American people who are losing! What they fail to realize is that he has also placed huge tariffs on Vietnamese exports and is considering levying even more! haha Just because Trump dodged the draft doesn’t mean he is a friend of the Vietnamese. Trump has even said that Vietnam is worse than China! For what it’s worth, Trump has no allegiance to any country at all - shared history and culture, respect for human rights, form of gov’t. mean nothing to him - he only cares about countries that (a) suck up to him or (b) can be profitable to him personally or (c) have kompromat on him. lol
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Think about it: there is mass media coverage of the pandemic in virtually every country on earth - none can hide the severity of the disease or its consequences. But you think Vietnam is more clever than the rest? w
I know one such country, it really try to hide real situation from the people :-)
China is also far from open.
Opening business is top priority for ruling class both in Vietnam and China.
You are right, let destroying the planet continue. Give big pharma all control over billions of lives! Great plan! Remdesivir will cost $5,000 to uninsured Americans. It can take decades to develop a vaccine, during which time, millions of lives will be lost. I didn't realize you were such a capitalist. lol
You started to talk with youself here?
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@Vitaliy Kiselev
1 So you are saying Vietnamese can’t go on social media to report deaths? Don’t be ridiculous! I live here man, and nobody is hiding any deaths. Not a single person I know has heard of a friend, relative or acquaintance becoming sick from Covid-19. wtf 2 Not sure what you mean by saying I’m talking about myself... you just said to give a handout to drug companies to develop vaccines that will take decades to find and cost trillions to Americans rather than going after the root causes of the problem, which are food security and regulation, fighting smuggling of exotic animals and the destruction of animal habitats. A supremely capitalist stance! 3. You offer no facts, just BS. The health and well-being of the population (where coronavirus is concerned, in any case) are more of a concern among the ruling elite in Vietnam than in many developed countries like the USA. lol 4. Even hardcore Trumpists living here believe there are no cases of Covid-19, and you know what? They're correct!
Vitaliy - rather than spouting more nonsense, give me concrete evidence that coronavirus cases are spiraling out of control here.
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So you are saying Vietnamese can’t go on social media to report deaths? Don’t be ridiculous! I live here man, and nobody is hiding any deaths.
Calm down, no one talked about Vietnam.
you just said to give a handout to drug companies to develop vaccines that will take decades to find and cost trillions to Americans rather than going after the root causes of the problem, which are food security and regulation, fighting smuggling of exotic animals and the destruction of animal habitats. A supremely capitalist stance!
No, I did not say anything like this.
You offer no facts, just BS. The health and well-being of the population (where coronavirus is concerned, in any case) are more of a concern among the ruling elite in Vietnam than in many developed countries like the USA. lol
I agree. But elites still serve the ruling class, capitalists, despite all the red flags.
Rather than spouting nonsense, prove to me that hundreds of thousands in Vietnam are infected but are going unnoticed. Crazy talk!!!
Are you suddenly try to prove that Andrew Raid was right and you want to show other side of yourself now on PV?
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@jonpais....hey I'm the first person to give credit to boots on the ground. My best friend lives in cambodia and he's a wise man and says the same. Although he's only been there about 5 years....so in reality, I know he doesn't really know shxte about the culture. It took me 10 years to know I didn't know shite, and then another 20 to know I'm never gonna know as much as "them". And as well.....none of the evidence you hold up as proof means anything. Nobody I know has been sick either. Nor anyone I've come in contact with, nor anyone they've come in contact with. As well, when someone says they're a particular nationality, it must be taken at face value, unless you have actual proof. @tinbeo, as vietnamese has an understanding of vietnam you as an foreigner can never begin to comprehend. You should dig into his understanding instead of burying it in mud. I say that as someone who is actually fluent in the language of my adopted country, which ain't easy. The truth is every last country on this planet are deceiving their people. I doubt the vietnamese govt is any different. Maybe Uruguay. And finally, since you're new to these threads, I'll give you a boost up. We. I and Vitaliy and nearly every other poster are 99.9% certain this virus doesn't have shxt to do with exotic animals. Maybe you should have started at page one, before jumping in with so much assurance. This virus is a lab animal so controlling the trafficking of exotic animals, or eating dogs at dog eating fairs...won't and didn't make any difference what so ever to it's beginnings. Maybe just maybe your pov on that subject has something to do with the propaganda your adopted govt feeds it's citizens. Now I don't know vietnam (thank god) because most americans who go there were there under "other " worse circumstances before. But I have all the respect possible for them not shooting every american on site who sets in foot in their country. That's what I would have done had I been king.
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For those interested in learning the facts, here they are:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-exemplar-vietnam
Any sane person living in Vietnam would consider the claims made by a couple of posters in this forum as completely ludicrous. I talked with several Vietnamese this afternoon and they thought I was being funny when I asked them if they had heard of anyone getting coronavirus. Tinbeo is absolutely not representative of Vietnamese living here.
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@jonpais...are you fluent in vietnamese ? ...and ps....wikipedia doesn't hold much weight for people looking for facts. I just did a 10min research on vietnam corona situation. Yeah...they did great. But you still can't believe 100%. One thing I've noticed about adopting another country. Sometimes we try to give too much credit. And V is right about masks. They're our best defense, at this moment we find ourselves....if we're not lucky enough to live in Vietnam. ....and here's a pretty fair assessment of the situation, but it also mentions Vietnams history of controlling information it fears.... https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/how-did-vietnam-become-biggest-nation-without-coronavirus-deaths
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@kurth It's encouraging to see that even the propaganda arm of the Trump administration that you provided a link to does not dispute Vietnam's handling of the pandemic. ;) Michael Pack, a colleague of Steve Bannon and confirmed by the Senate along party lines even though he is under criminal investigation, who replaced all of VOA's bipartisan boards with the most extremist and most ideological members of the Republican party, none of whom has any experience in international broadcasting or worked in any of the geographic areas serviced by the organization, is now in charge of the VOA. Pack is just another in the long line of Trump grifters, who funneled at least $1.6 million in donations from his non-profit directly into the coffers of his own production company. The purge of expert staff for no reason raises questions about the organization's independence and stature as a bulwark against disinformation through credible journalism. Citizens of despotic regimes looking for trustworthy sources of unbiased and accurate news will no longer find it there.
Also, sorry not to fall in line with you and others in the echo chamber, but twenty-seven prominent scientists, in an open letter in the Lancet, one of the world's most respected science journals, dispute conspiracy theories that the virus originated in a lab. I prefer to get my information from credible sources. And if indeed it did originate in a lab, Trump has a lot of explaining to do, such as why he fired all the scientists working at the pandemic early warning center and defunded the program just two months before the outbreak, and why he continued to ignore dire warnings from his staff, putting the lives of millions of Americans at risk.
The dozens upon dozens of plagues, epidemics and pandemics throughout human history are believed to have been transmitted through contact with animals and insects, so resources would be better allocated toward preserving natural habitats and food security rather than spreading conspiracy theories expressly designed to help Trump, the most corrupt president in modern history, in the upcoming election. Any reasonable mind would have to agree that little to nothing can be done about a rogue state deciding to release a virus (any more than we can prevent N. Korea from launching missles), but that all countries can work together to preserve the planet.
Hopefully a commission will be set up in January to investigate all of Trump’s and his enablers’ crimes while in office. Trump’s approval rating is just 38% and no president since 1940 with an approval rating below 48% has won reelection, so that’s reason to rejoice.
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Also, sorry not to fall in line with you and others in the echo chamber, but twenty-seven prominent scientists, in an open letter in the Lancet, one of the world's most respected science journals, dispute conspiracy theories that the virus originated in a lab. I prefer to get my information from credible sources.
At PV we prefer to use grey cells instead of trusting "reputable sources".
I provided good link at Russian article explaining all the history of SARV like viruses development and research, that labs actually can do now and why making such virus is possible (at least on last 4-5 years). Also this labs openly stated and got funds on adapting SARS like viruses to be easy to transmit among humans.
Note that all this labs told that many years had been spent on getting useful results on SARS like viruses prevention and cure. Yet as outbreak happened they provided exactly ZERO results that could help with stopping viruses.
And if indeed it did originate in a lab, Trump has a lot of explaining to do, such as why he fired all the scientists working at the pandemic early warning center and defunded the program just two months before the outbreak, and why he continued to ignore dire warnings from his staff, putting the lives of millions of Americans at risk.
Looking at that WHO scientists proposed and that scientist near the Trump did early in Feabruary -march I amfully understand Trump. As we had not good experts mostly and iunstead bunch of unresponsible liers.
The dozens upon dozens of plagues, epidemics and pandemics throughout human history are believed to have been transmitted through contact with animals and insects, so resources would be better allocated toward preserving natural habitats and food security rather than spreading conspiracy theories expressly designed to help Trump, the most corrupt president in modern history, in the upcoming election.
Being anti Trump clouds your judjement as instead of data and logic you start to rely on authorities (false ones) and emotions.
Labs are able to make such viruses and this is Trump tries to tell eveyone about this. Progress inthsi regard is staggering.
But that all countries can work together to preserve the planet.
This is how it is in reality. No, capitalist countries can't "work together" until it is owner-slave (yes, politically incorrect language stil allowed at PV) relationship. As soon as you have equal powers it is very far from it.
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@jonpais ....I just picked the link because it seemed reasonably written. I didn't do a deep investigation into funding sources. And as my custom, I prefer not to attack the messenger. That seems to be one of pseudo liberals fav strategies. But you're attacking the messenger even when you agree with what they wrote ? That's interesting....and absurd. And " 27 prominent scientist in lancet " " Whoa....all whose reputation and funding is based on keeping viral gain of function research active. And wasn't it lancet that published and retracted the anti hydroxy articles based on flawed studies they published ?? Wuhan was funded, not only by your tax dollars but by french and canadian tax dollars as well. The gain of function research was done in fort detrick north carolina. Oh...they said they shut that down a few years back. How convenient. The war criminals never shut anything down ! This same flawed logic is used against 911 researchers. OH...but there's only 3000 architect engineers and physicist who claim otherwise. I did an analysis ( yes I'm a former researcher myself ) and it was a 1/2,000,000 chance the virus happened to be released in the wild....in wuhan china, where chinas only bsl4 lab is located. The truth is that should be enough for any logical mind to incur it's lab origins. But as well there's been enough other biological researchers that have voiced their opinions that contradict the war criminals propaganda arm. If you had bothered to read the thread , you might have learned something, rather than jump in at the end as self proclaimed expert. And yes...all those 27 scientist ( who are criminals) want to continue doing their "research" how to murder millions of humans. What other motive would they have ? There is a small chance that either the americans released it in wuhan, or that it was an accidental escape. I try to keep an open mind. But to think this virus is any other type than artificial , and that the pandemic is natural in origin....is worse than naive. And your same flawed logic has killed countless 1000's that could have been saved with hydroxycholoquine as well. How many leftist media articles have falsely claimed it worthless just because trumps said it was effective ? Those organizations(authors) should be imprisoned. And to your claim about dozens of pandemics originating with animals. First, most have begun in the last 15 years....in China ! That by itself is reason for much suspicion, esp considering chinas imperialistic goals. But I believe only one in history fits your definition that didn't originate in china, and that was in the 14th century. So come back when you've educated yourself, rather than just regurgitating propaganda. Trump is a moron, but V is right.....not only you, but the whole democratic party ( and pseudo liberal wannabees ) have lost their capacity to think clearly in their desire to destroy him. My question is what criminal politicians will you offer in his place ? ...because that's all any USpolitical party has....'cept maybe jill stein. You think getting rid of trump and replacing him with a democratic war criminal will resolve the USa's criminality ? How stupid can americans get ?
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@jonpais You were right saying no body in Vietnam died because of COVID, believing in Vietnam government facts. All I said “ if Vietnamese has tested like American, they would have this symptoms. “ All Vietnamese I know whom visit the country in Tet ( Vietnamese New year ) have some COVID Like symptoms. They comeback after visiting Vietnam, had some flu symptoms. Some old fox was died.
The fact is no test package is available for people in Vietnam , no one is knowing that they have ever had Covid. I am not talking from media or facts from them. Unless the lab- created - covid is for American or western people -;) no government could control this Covid but their media. So please think for yourself. I was growing up over there, still never believing your goverment , not mine now .
I should add this fact: Malaria, a common disease has existed after the Việt Cong , communist from North Vietnam brought with them into South Vietnam. I could say from my memories that all families had malaria after April, 1975. The communist Việt Cong from North forced South People got to forest where they call “ New Zone “ for laboring.Vietnamese might now has antibody covid treating using Quinine now what they call hydrochloriquine during that time-;). Ask and think for yourself it might be because of that there is no body dying of Covid huh Jonpais???
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@tinbeo....contrary to your theories, your homeland has probably done well combating corona, against all logic, at least geographical location, and should probably be copied in america, mexico...and south america where it's been an utter failure. However, as any reasonable observer knows, the fatlady hasn't sung her part. We're just getting started, and perhaps their initial success will come back and bite them in their arses later on down the road, specially if, as jonpais states, nobody but gringo expats are wearing masks. The Duh-ited States was over ripe for a takedown like this. When people think wearing masks during a pandemic violates their constitutional rights, stupidity has already won.
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@kurth Correction: I never said "nobody but gringo expats are wearing masks."
Also not clear on why you refer to expats in Vietnam as gringos or why you said previously that you would shoot Americans on sight.
Gringo refers to non-Spanish speaking individuals, which would encompass many expats as well as Vietnamese.
You are aware that Vietnam is in Southeast Asia, aren't you?
I've met several expats here who hail from Latin America.
The term for foreigner in Vietnamese is người nước ngoài.
What's your point, exactly?
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@tinbeo Quit with your foolishness, man!
Testing has been available in Vietnam for over three months now.
They developed their own test and were negotiating with dozens of countries for export.
Even as far back as March, the ratio of 791 tests to every confirmed case was by far the highest in the world, the next highest, Taiwan, having conducted 140 tests for every case.
Vietnam had conducted 275,000 COVID-19 tests as of May 12.
The communists did not bring it with them to the South. Malaria has existed in Vietnam for thousands of years.
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@jonpais.....I misunderstood your flouting comment to mean the opposite....sorry... but the word gringo refers only to americans and esp american invaders ! It originates with our invasions of mexico and central america. Green Go ! That would include americans in vietnam, but wouldn't include other foreigners in vietnam. It has nothing to do with "nonspanish speaking " . And you do recall that we murdered or were responsible for the deaths of some million and a half vietnamese , right ? Destroyed their country. Used wmd on it's people. Had assassination programs on civilians. Attempted deforestation by using chemical weapons etc etc. All based on lies ....just like everywhere else we wage war. It's a tribute to the vietnam people that they let americans in. If it was me, I'd be more revengeful. And , for example, a mexican living in another country doesn't refer to themselves as expat, unless they're dual nationality ? That's a western term used by americans and their allies. I prefer to use the word by it's obvious meaning ....ex patriot, of which, when it comes to americans , there's far too few. And I had a number of points , all were made clearly. When it comes to corona, you don't know what you're talking about. You're the one who's regurgitating trump propaganda , and don't even realize it. By hiding the real origins of the virus, you're helping them hide their bioweapons programs, and therefore, helping them to continue. And a gringo invader such as yourself can never know as much as a native. So give tinboa his due, rather than acting like the ugly gringo knowitall.
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