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What do we know about the novel coronavirus?
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  • @Vitaliy....if you...or I get sick with it....all the other shit won't be important. I made this for a friend who's a serious doubting thomas .....

    1. The virus and it’s personal consequences….illness, disability and death
    2. The virus and it’s consequences on the healthcare system…systemic failure, inability to acquire medical resources
    3. The social consequences….social disorder ….rampant crime…police state
    4. The economic consequences….depression, lack of funds, world depression, collapse of the system
    5. The political consequences….govt’s will fall , politicians will lose, political systems could change …i.e from capitalist to socialist, or from socialist to communist, or from democratic to totalitarian. Nations will rise and nations will fall.
    6. Virus origin theories….spinning the natural selection theory over the bioweapon to avoid worldwar iii…the information and propaganda war
    7. War…retaliation….conventional, nuclear or biological

    Here’s the way I see it. All 7 aspects are real and valid. To deny any one of them is not wise. However, No 1 being the one that affects me and everyone else the most and the thing I can personally affect the most, and the most relevant to focus my energy, unless me or my family get sick, and then no2 becomes equally as important. No 3 is also important, and affects long term survival. Learning and knowing how to cope in a new world. All the other aspects are out of my personal control, yet are real and necessary to keep under observation. Skip one and two at your own peril.

  • @kurth

    We can also have panic paired with elites idea to use old coronaviruses (responsible for around 45% similar symptoms, if you deduct flu) and special testing methods (unproven or specially designed such) to get any numbers they need.

    We need to carefully watch legal system and economics, we can be now in the "second plane hits the tower" stage. We already had repeat of operation performed in 2008 and 2014 for lowering energy and resources prices for developed countries. And now China position is much worse (as they fucked lot of their own resources and passed peak coal).

  • @Vitaliy....stats where easy access to icu beds exist and 100% of medical resources are dedicated, is relatively meaningless. It's like judging all rats by those trapped and running in a maze. Real rats don't live in mazes. Real world stats , where facilities are saturated are coming out Italy.

  • @Vitaliy_Kiselev great article, it certainly helps to put the present times in a dialetical perspective and action perspective.

    Even so I have doubts about if people organization would not be only possible with a delay in the present case? those things will need to be past to be perceived in a collective organization way?

    Now, from inside, everyone is in more or less in panic except far-right militants (they already live in panic, it's normal days to them, just grab a gun).

  • Could the Covid-19 case fatality rate be that low? No, some say, pointing to the high rate in elderly people. However, even some so-called mild or common-cold-type coronaviruses that have been known for decades can have case fatality rates as high as 8% when they infect elderly people in nursing homes. In fact, such “mild” coronaviruses infect tens of millions of people every year, and account for 3% to 11% of those hospitalized in the U.S. with lower respiratory infections each winter.

    These “mild” coronaviruses may be implicated in several thousands of deaths every year worldwide, though the vast majority of them are not documented with precise testing. Instead, they are lost as noise among 60 million deaths from various causes every year.

    https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/

  • Another small thing

    Governments try to control testing as much as possible, in most countries you can't make independent tests or even just get into hospital and request testing. Also it is no scientific data about this tests (how many false positives, and lot of other specific data).

    Masks shortages are severe and governments are NOT planning fast real hike of production. It is very suspicious. As lack of masks can be required if you plan to use other flu like deceases to use as cover coranavirus craze.

    Even in China it is mostly small to medium private companies that are making (in addition to pre craze era) and reselling masks now. I do not see any real care from big countries about solving this issue.

  • The U.S. economy could shrink 14% next quarter, a JP Morgan economist said on Wednesday.

  • Delivery Club in Mordor no longer accepts cash under pretense of virus (but also states that hope it'll be kept after this). It is expected that many internet companies with delivery will follow them in coming weeks. Banks also ask people to use credit cards and NFC payments.

  • Rumors are that we can see fast and silent changes in labor laws. They'll be implemented to "save the business" and "improve workers conditions". All changes will be made during days of total lockdown and with armed forces on the streets.

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    This is directly related to things like coronavirus spread. As corporations like Apple actually redistribute resources and huge number of working people time such a way that it makes few of people rich and all the others fully affected by any plague or natural issue.

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  • "Mercado Livre" (Free Market) website, similar to ebay, change the logo, see previous and current desing:

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  • Brazil (I don't know if it is in all cities): birthday parties and weddings have been suspended. business fairs as well. closed theaters and cinemas. concentrations of people were prohibited. classes at colleges and schools have been suspended. no way for photo and video work. buy food and stay home!

    Everything is closing but supermarket, bakery and pharmacy.

  • Global Warming....solved. Next up....Nuclear Armegeddon.

  • The Taiwan (ROC) Government announced a ban on the entry of all foreign visitors into the country until further notice. The ban takes effect from Thursday, March 19, in the wake of the COVID-19 global pandemic that has claimed thousands of lives worldwide.

  • @Vitaliy....Espana's on the roll as well. Bought the last box in my town this morning. Words out. Problem could obviously be the supply will dryout. https://www.jornada.com.mx/2020/03/18/politica/011n2pol ....Doubt if they'll send me even one !

  • @kurth

    Can tell you optimistic news from Mordor.

    People started buying Hydoxichloroquine (smart ones for now).

  • White House now intends to send two $1,000 checks to adult Americans, in addition to the $300 billion in 'emergency liquidity' (ie zero-interest loans) it's also promising.

  • @RoadsidePicnic....my philosophy on everything is...fuxk gobiernos..todos de ellos. All governments are organisms that only think about their own survival. We as individuals are responsible to ourselves and our loved ones.And we have at least learned of one cheap and widely available treatment that most probably mitigates the grave effects of this virus. Go out and buy some..today. I ask everybody here to research everything they can on chloroquine and hydoxichloroquine. I'm still looking into dosage. What is the prophyllactic dosage for prevention. I think it's 200mg a week...one tablet. But I'm not absolutely certain. So we might have solved half of the dilemma. Cheap and widely available test kits will be coming...thanks to greedy capitalist bastards. What's amazing is no one is really talking about chloroquine as prevention.

  • @kurth so the way the govs are taking it looks like they dont plan to reach it either. Thing is maybe with epidemiological effort and event a short imunisation vacine thing can become endemic and "controled". You know after half the pension granies and granpas in the world are gone.

    They goin spanish flu on this, just ler it take the toll and hope it fade away, maybe make some cash with vaccines thing, maybe there will be world war before that. Lots of states will enter civil disorder etc. Some social democratic nationalizations to save capital guys. Some places have ways to enter revolution, lots of places dont that background effectively and it will be a lot of social degradation before that.

    Maybe in some time covid will lose spot in the highlights to bullets and famine.

    Just like the Flu.

  • No where on planet earth, at no time is any homo sapiens immune from this virus. No one knows if immunity after cure is real or long lasting. People have had it twice. Therefore the concept of herd immunity is a farce. No one knows if a safe vaccine can be developed. Therefore there is only avoidance and treatment. Any other solutions at this juncture are hypothetical. So the only possible path is ubiquitous testing and efficacious treatments. We never needed an over the counter solution to a fatal disease so much. Now we do.

  • @zcream

    Mordor has one advantage (from resistance to virus side only :-) ) - all population live last 30 years in total natural selection mode. So, do not worry so much.