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RED Komodo - last attempt to save old developments
  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    In usual manner Jarred wrote:

    • It is not DSMC3
    • It is not a replacement for DSMC2
    • It is not 8k VV
    • It is not a Dragon or a Helium or a Gemini or a Monstro Sensor
    • It does not have an HDMI port
    • It does not use proprietary media
    • It is not a “module”
    • It is not under $5k, unless you own a Hydrogen.
    • It has no XLR ports
    • It does not have a fixed lens
    • It’s body does not weight more than 2 pounds.
    • It is not larger than 4 inches in any dimension.

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    O.. and since Komodo is alive and breathing and you will probably see it pop up over the next few weeks and months in the hands of some very talented people banging on it to try and break it.

    Camera had been developed as partner to their smartphone, but as it tanked completely they made few changes.

    Unfortunately RED is fully uncompetitive, and can't eat Z-CAM or BM cameras shares, so here we will see another marketing stunt.

    It will be first cinema camera oriented ONLY to people who won't use it much - to rich and quite young audience, as I had been told it will be lawyers and computer developers in US.

    In other words, it is same audience Panasonic FF cameras are aimed at by Japan marketing management (as my Japanese source told).

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  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    Some lab test

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    https://www.cined.com/red-komodo-6k-lab-test-dynamic-range-and-latitude-test/

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  • MikeLinnMikeLinn

    RED CONTROL app

  • meemee

    I am now in love. The app is amazing. All I have ever wanted from every camera app is full control like this.

  • meemee

    @majoraxis @Sammy, there were far worse examples of rolling shutter in that comparison video though. BM is not terrible, but Panasonic GH line beats them IMHO. The Komodo is out of my current reach, but if I could afford one, I would choose it over BM, Zcam, or any in this form factor. Zcam has the E2G (global shutter), but seemingly only in europe, but regardless of where RED may or may not be heading, this looks like a legit beast to me.

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  • sammysammy

    Vk I know it's a scam ,they will die soon

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @sammy, check this video

    https://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/comment/277260#Comment_277260

    And you'll understand that now RED is more of lawyers company than good engineers, it is just some inertia still present.

  • sammysammy

    That test shows how impressive the pocket 6k is . Minimal rolling shutter ,about same dr if not more than red ,much cheaper

  • MikeLinnMikeLinn

  • majoraxismajoraxis

    @johnbrawley - I agree. I think Komodo has a kind of gray cast to the image, like it is rounding off the highlights to appear to have more dynamic range than it has.

    Here's a comparison to the Pocket 6k which tends not to have any obvious highlight rolloff or color cast to the image.

    That said, there are times when the Komodo looks nice if you want to limit the dynamic range of the image. For example, If you are shooing in direct sun light, the Komodo may be preferred.

    Speaking of GS vs RS here as screen capture from the video above, which shows the difference. Click the image to view.

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  • johnbrawleyjohnbrawley

    I think the promise of GS always is elusive, but it's always been a compromise with what else you horse trade in that sensor design.

    Now, maybe Komodo has solved some of those problems. Sony went AWAY from a GS with the Venice after introducing it on their previous top tier camera.

    BMD introduced a GS camera that NEVER was that great, though some still swear by it. But it has limited DR, low ISO, and noise problems. Digital Bolex never made a Buisiness case either. They folded. AJA Cion was still born. Arri stopped making the Alexa Studio. Aaton went broke making Penelope. No one that makes GS shutters does them for long.

    So far I've found the Komodo shot's a bit underwhelming. But I also know how hard it is to work with pre-production equipment and even hard when you're in lock down.

    JB

  • meemee

    @Sammy "why would anyone buy a Red camera in 2020 is beyond me"

    Global Shutter. The thing Blackmagic promised 5 years ago, delivered, and then removed from their camera.. The thing Panasonic hinted at 5 years ago (with organic 8K M4/3rd sensor), then said it was too difficult. Global Shutter is a huge advantage especially if done right. Red is alive until others implement and master Global Shutter.

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  • Isaac_BIsaac_B

    How long until Black Magic announces an RF mount Pocket 6K camera for 2500?

  • sammysammy

    why would anyone buy a Red camera in 2020 is beyond me

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  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    Komodo Specs

    • What's Komodo? A RED Compact Utility Camera in a small Cube-Cam form factor ready to pickup and shoot. Just add batteries, lens, media, and likely a display.
    • Sensor Technology = New 6K Sensor that features Global Shutter and Rolling Shutter Modes as well as Phase Detect Auto Focus
    • Max FPS = 6K FF @ 40fps, 6K WS @50fps. We can guestimate at 5K and 4K fps, but fps might change as they refine things ever so so slightly
    • Anamorphic Support = Appears so
    • Codec Support = Internal Compressed RAW = REDCODE RAW, unknown if other codecs are supported as of now
    • Lens Mount = Integrated Canon RF Mount (easy to adapt to nearly anything)
    • Media Type = CFast 2.0 (body features a media slot compartment w/ door)
    • Power Options = Dual Slot Canon BP Style Batteries (various capacities) w/ hot swap and ability to run off one battery + DC IN (LEMO) - Lower Power Draw than DSMC2 for sure
    • Camera Control = Integrated Touch Screen, On Camera Buttons, Some sort of Smartphone Interface, WiFi Control, EXT Port
    • Monitoring = Top Side Pogo Cableless Display Tech, 4K 6G or 12G SDI Out
    • Audio = Mic In 3.5mm jack, Headphone Jack, Internal Scratch Mic
    • Camera Cooling = It appears there's an internal heat sink and fan w/ vent
    • Form Factor = < 4x4x4" and built like a tank IMO
    • Body Weight = < 2lbs
    • Body Contruction = Appears to be Magnesium/Aluminum Alloy
    • Buttons/Indicators = On/Off Switch, Power/Status Indicator, Record Button, Tally Light, Menu, Menu Selection Up/Down, Funtion Set, Playback (probably toggle), 2X Eject Buttons for Batteries, Media Compartment Open
    • Wireless Camera Inteface/Control = WiFi w/ Antenna
    • Mobile Phone Support = Android and IOS
    • Rigging = 1/4"-20 around Pogo, 4X M4 around front of camera, 1X M3 for focus hook, general base plate form factor of DSMC2-style bodies
    • Price Point = sub $5,000 USD for Hydrogen One Owners, normal MSRP is a mystery for now
    • Camera Release Date = 2020, likely on the earlier side of things
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  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @cls105

    It must be required, as no way they could sell the manufactured stock otherwise.

  • cls105cls105

    Rigging most cameras isn’t that expensive If one has been in the game for a while. I’ve used the same rods, evf’s, baseplates on my last 4 camera bodies. The problem with red is, I don’t want their stupid phone to use their camera. And if their phone is necessary, it will be a giant flop.

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