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Youtube - New Channels not Welcome
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  • eatstoomuchjameatstoomuchjam

    It's not just new channels - it's existing channels.

    This guy got dinged by content id because another artist stole his guitar riff and uploaded a new song using it as a backing track 2 years later.

    https://www.cnet.com/news/youtuber-says-he-was-accused-of-infringing-his-own-song/

  • eatstoomuchjameatstoomuchjam

    On the other hand, youtube like money - so if you're a big enough channel which brings in enough ad revenue, having 4 videos with clear violations of their standards counts as only a single strike so you can keep your channel and just get a slap on the wrist to prevent live streaming for a little while.

    https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/25/youtube-punishes-alex-jones-channel-for-breaking-policies-against-hate-speech-and-child-endangerment/

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    New step

    Currently, all creators with over 1,000 subscribers see their subscriber counts displayed differently in different places across YouTube desktop and mobile apps. In some cases, the subscriber count is abbreviated (e.g., 133k) and in other places we display the full count (e.g., 133,017).

    To create more consistency everywhere that we publicly display subscriber counts, starting in August 2019, we’ll begin showing the abbreviated subscriber number across all public YouTube surfaces. Third parties that use YouTube’s API Services will also access the same public facing counts you see on YouTube. Creators will still be able to see their exact number of subscribers in YouTube Studio.

    So what exactly will this look like? For channels with fewer than 1,000 subscribers, the exact (non-abbreviated) subscriber count will still be shown. Once your channel passes the 1000 subscriber milestone, we will begin to abbreviate your public subscriber numbers on a sliding scale.

    Idea here is to turn off many of youtube creators who make small channels and also guide more subscribers to larger channel using this.

    Google recent idea is to turn Youtube into TV from Back to the Future - 500 channels about same shit you already saw on TV all life.

    Plus it is very nice as Google plans to have their own services for large channels, and this move must impact some analysis of competitors. Expect more weird things happening with views counts.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    Removing comments visibility

    YouTube finally seems to have realized the obvious: comments, for the most part, are bad and you shouldn’t read them. It’s currently testing a new layout in the Android app that hides comments from sight unless you press a button to expose them.

    Ruling class is afraid of comments, as it seems. So, first step will be gradually hide them.

    All the sites who made same move upon government request did the same steps.

  • DrDaveDrDave

    I do think there is an industry wide attempt to hide comments. You see it in news articles &c. On my phone, getting to the YouTube comments is not at all obvious. OTOH, on YouTube the comment system still works.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @DrDave

    I can add to this also that all leading traffic sources (ala Google and Facebook) also intentionally killing all forums across all major countries. So it is not that they do not like comments moderation expenses.

    They are afraid about real people comment themselves. They want you to just consume provided information.

  • MikeLinnMikeLinn

  • DrDaveDrDave

    I agree with the video above that YouTube is changing. However, this is no secret. This is not something that someone notices after analyzing video! There are huge, ginormous ads everywhere, viewable from space, even during the Superbowl talking about the global TV platform. As to whether this is good or bad in the long run, well, it means that if you have a channel, it has the potential to become a global, network type channel. That's a huge opportunity. That's great for indie players like me, it's awesome, in fact.
    As far as disadvantaging smaller players, that's always there. It's a result of the market being saturated. That's not to say that the algorithms skew it in one way or another, but I would be surprised if the algorithms are not fine tuned to favor content that gets watched more, for whatever reason--that's what drives the market.
    The fact is, the threshold is what is changing. You need a hundred videos to get a bump, whereas you needed only ten just a few years ago (or one viral video, but that's a roll of the dice).
    The big difference, IMHO, is microtargeting. As to what that means, it's hard to say, but refining your keywords is even more important.
    YT provides a big opportunity. Our channel gets more views than the Metropolitan Opera with one thousandth the budget. We get more views than all of the Symphonies and Classical music groups in California combined.
    Where else is that even remotely possible? On what planet is that possible? In what universe?

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @DrDave

    That's not to say that the algorithms skew it in one way or another, but I would be surprised if the algorithms are not fine tuned to favor content that gets watched more, for whatever reason--that's what drives the market.

    Being in music you do not fully see how much algorithms damage the field.

    In the news/reviews/tech field google algos (both in search and YT) make it almost impossible to survive making original content that is not about few big companies and not in general trends.

  • DrDaveDrDave

    I see a lot of ppl reviewing cameras and getting pretty solid numbers...look at Kai.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @DrDave

    Well, cameras are exactly general trend :-). It is few brands and small amount of items now :-)

    Plus cameras reviews are one of the worse things, as only few select guys who are big friends with companies make reviews well before releases.

  • DrDaveDrDave

    Agree that camera reviews are one of the worst things, but I enjoy Kai W, and sometimes he really says the product is terrible when it is.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    image

    Now youtube wants to further reduce choice by making thumbnails larger in recommendations and any other lists.

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  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    Another small part

    Now, when a copyright claim is manually filed for “very short clips” of music or for music that is “unintentionally” playing in the background of a video clip, the rights holder will no longer be allowed to earn money from ads placed on the video. Instead, they’ll have to choose between leaving the video up and blocking the creator from making money, or blocking the video entirely. The new rules apply to audio copyright claims only, so short clips of videos aren’t covered.

    So it will be huge amount of video blocking now, as before all they could do is getting 100% of all your money.

    Notice how copyright damages modern systems.

  • PauloTeixeiraPauloTeixeira

    One of the biggest issues I face when taking videos of outdoor events is background music. Their is a feature on YouTube that takes that songs out but it doesn’t work all the time and sometimes I’ll need to re-upload a new video with the song removed.

    I’ve had one old video on Vimeo that received a DMCA and was taken down. It had some music in the background. Vimeo messaged me saying that they received a notice to take it down by the “International Federation of the Phonographic Industry” I was in an Uber car and a bit tired when I first read the message. At first I read it as “Pornographic” and was a little confused for the first few seconds and immediately read it again and saw that it’s another word. They really should come up with another name.

    If I didn’t re-read it again, I probably would have complained to Vimeo and said that claim is invalid because their is no porn in my video.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @PauloTeixeira

    You will be surprised, but ANY real mass protests of authors against charging or trying to impose any sanctions on background music will result in almost instant excuses and stuff will change.

    At first it is possible to demand to restrict owner income to be 10% of video income (on Youtube).

    Doubts in copyright are most horrible thing for modern capitalists, their very vulnerable point.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    Another new approach is to use list format for home page and recommended videos, such way you see around 10x less videos on one page.

    It is clear that Youtube is not happy to have ANY non promoted videos at all, even if they control algorithms.

    Also in August Youtube greatly restricted notification delivery for smaller channels an made new videos harder to see in desktop pages.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    New tool again

    Lot of regulating parasites around who just want to nicely live.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    Present rumors inside Alphabet are that this year Youtube profits will be more than $20 billion.

    And around 25% of nice $5 billion increase YoY comes from special interface changes and ads scam that allowed to pay much less to smaller channels while showing more ads.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    YouTube advertising revenue grew tremendously as well, nearly doubling to $7 billion, compared to $3.8 billion last year. That’s $1 billion more than YouTube pulled in last quarter, too.

    None of the small channels I know had income increase, most saw decrease with more or less same statistics.

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