>believe this is also why VK does not want P.Bloom discussions or even these silly shootouts talked about here

Try not to interpret my words your way, ok? I never aid anything like it.
All I said is that such things do not deserve your attention if you already have the camera.
And people can talk about any shootouts on our forum, be it PB or anyone else.
I can not like particular things, but it doesn not matter, really.

"That blog is one of the few beacons of DSLRism that validates an entire cult of DSLR shooters, a number of whom will never touch a serious camera and don't understand anything beyond "give me everything for as cheap as possible.""

Serious cameras? Who are you trying to kid? Your post seem to place you on the other end of spectrum with the elitist Red camera snobs.

"Expirience with big constly cameras do not make anyone a snob."

True. But it does if you think it somehow automatically invalidates others. Which was the tone I got from the post.

I've been on Red shoots where they're constantly basing "DSLRs toys" when their end product looks like garbage and could have easily been out-done by a film student with a T2i in 1/4 the time and 1/20th the budget.

If he would have said something like "a number of whom have never produced a serious FILM and don't understand anything beyond "give me everything for as cheap as possible." Then that would have been fine. It just sounded like he was being condescending towards those who have simply not worked with expensive cameras, regardless of any other factors.

"Why you worry about tone of someones post, or opinions of the Red owners?
It can be what deep inside you are not certain in your current opinions :-)"

Pretty much cause I'm bored and I don't like people talking down on others for such dumb reasons. Nothing else really. Oh well, happy new year, time to go out and drink now...

Sorry guys, but this whole issue can specify only one maxim: "So fucking what?"

For me it is not a feeling what is good or not. It is just knowing at least to a certain extend how each camera perform because I have no bias to any brand. I am a Nikon photographer, who bought a 7d because of the video and now a gh2. The gh2 is the first Panasonic gear that I have. I wanted to film and before the d7000, Nikon had nothing compared to the Canon. Then I saw the advent of the hack gh1 and then the gh2, that I bought. Unfortunately I don't have unlimited funds, or live in a country where I can try all these cameras.

This is why a test like this is very important to me. I had planned and could have stretched financially for an Af100 or an FS100 if they provided some good to substantial quality difference against the gh2. I cannot be sure 100% on Mr X,Y or Z telling me that the gh2 is better or on par to some other camera or the contrary because you have a set of fanboys and hatters that pollute any forums (This comment is not directed at some posters that a really value there judgement, I hope they recognize who they are). Now at least I can have a good idea with my own eyes. Yes, most of us know that it is very good in terms of resolution, but what about the rest. I wrote above in my previous post a simple scenario about the FS100. If it shows to be much better than the gh2 in low light (hypothetical because no one has any clue). Lets say by 3 stop, it could put it back in contention against the gh2 because where one could operate with some simple battery powered led light, the other one would need to use HMI and a grip truck to get the same result. In terms of detail it might loose a little bit, but you could still use an external recorder to get intra base codec at 200 mbit like the ninja and benefit from much better low light (all this is just hypothetical). So these other test will be more revealing about the different cameras and there respective price to performance ratio.

You had the chance to test it, that is good for you. But me I cannot, so as the Chinese say, a picture is worth a thousand words. For the people like me that cannot test both, the Philip bloom test (unfortunately we don't have better more scientific ones) will be worth a lot to asses the different camera. In the end some will find that the $ 5000 might be worth it and others don't.

GH2 looks good, we already knew that and that's why we own one or even two. 2011 was justifying this camera to play with the big boys. Now let's make 2012 the year of it being used.

The end.

I think camera test/shootout are not a bad thing for people who don't buy but rent gear instead. I know a lot of good dp doesn't own professional camera except maybe a point and shoot cam.

Damn, original is 2.2gb :) Grabbing now before Vimeo inevitably runs out of downloads for the day, thanks.

for me is more important resolution,en the end of day,you need lighting for shot movies.

GH2 really fails in low light :( , but that understandable.

the C300 wasn't a big hit either.

but i DID like those magnificent BANDING streams on the 7D and 5D ;)

F3 and F100 are clear winners of the low light test.

pvjames yes, we no gh2 is not good in low light, and FS100 cost 5 times more and in the resolution test wan not better that 700$ camera,i hope gh2 can improve more in bit rate etc