GH5 Panasonic camera, from anticipation to love or hate

RRRoger

"If the GH5 specs are settled and the prototypes are out there, 2016 NAB seems likely.

This is a really crucial release for Panasonic. They need to go all out. I'm expecting to be disappointed."

I am wondering if clean ISO 6400 is even possible with a GH4 size sensor? Perhaps they will use an s35 like JVC did and still retain the MFT mount?

crowbar

A bigger sensor would certainly help higher ISO noise. Even if having to buy new lenses, otherwise A7S II is very tempting.

crowbar

Yeah man couple that with internal 10 bit recording and I'll buy several!

Vesku

Now there is Sony A7s II with clean iso 100 000. I think Panasonic is doing something with GH-series noise :)

crowbar

For me the most important improvement would be internal 4K 10 bit recording thus saving all that money and bother for an external recorder!!! Is this even possible, if so god what a no-brainer! I would even practically settle for 1080p internal 10 bit ProRes recording. Just look at the quality of the BMPCC recording at ProRes 422 or higher, although I have both, I always choose BMPCC over the GH4 for superior close up Skin Tones.

rNeil

@Vesku

Thanks ... to me, improve the vlog to make it a bit more 'solid' in application and give a stop or two more ISO, a bit better noise & cleaner color ... and yes, a couple steps higher frame-rate, that would be ok. I'm not as demanding as many ... ;-)

Neil

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@Vesku

If the GH5 specs are settled and the prototypes are out there, 2016 NAB seems likely.

This is a really crucial release for Panasonic. They need to go all out. I'm expecting to be disappointed.

RRRoger

GH5 with clean ISO 6400 and 1080P120 would motivate me to hit the buy now button

Vesku

@rNeil

I was guessing about 4k60P, the very same body than GH4, same menus only some added items, far better EVF, not very specific after all.

rNeil

@Vesku

I am NOT smiling because you didn't say what guessing you did! Ha.

Neil

Vesku

I talked today with one Panasonic guy. He had had a GH5 prototype in his hands and he knew about specs and menus too. He said that it was already too much to tell all that. I didnt ask any details but i was teasing him by telling my predictions of some features. He was silent but smiling and told that my quessing was very good.

karl

IMHO, "8k" is nonsense. Not because of display technology or because people wouldn't like to buy it, but simply because it's so unlikely to record material in that quality. 8k x 4k pixels = 32 M full color pixels, as for cameras they count each red, green and blue pixel separately, you'd need something equivalent to a "96 Megapixel" sensor to record an "8k" image in full quality. And even if you had a 96 Megapixel sensor that is sensitive and quick enough, you still need a monster of a lens to deliver the light to it.

Have a look at the 4k material available today: Apart from some sports events shot in bright daylight with very expensive equipment, existing 4k material hardly ever pushes the limits of 4k resolution. A Red Dragon or Sony F56 deliver "indoor" or "night" shots in 4k that certainly look somewhat better than 2k, but are far from utilizing full 4k resolution. If the same scenes were filmed in "8k", there would be no difference in actual, measurable resolution.

RRRoger

There will be a bunch of cameras ready for the 2020 Olympics from all manufacturers. Perhaps a few revolutionary CamCorders as well. Most of them will be announced by February of that year including the GH6 but only a "select" few photographers will have them in time for the games.

I personally doubt if you will see 8k Video in a DSLR style camera till then. However, a CamCorder has more room for more processors and bigger heat sink etc.
Typically a higher price point, you can expect more performance.

alcomposer

@Mckinise 4k resolution max. But I don't buy the whole 8mp 2016 thing. Japan companies have been given mandate from government to make 8k happen. This is for Olympics 2020. They will be transmitted in 8k- so this means they want to get content ready. (Maybe we will see Driftwood gh6 RAW footage in Olympic teaser!). I'm not joking.

8k is happenening. If not GH5 then GH6. But GH6 is too far away for 2020.

Mckinise

@alcomposer Define Lower resolution.

wickitom

4k is what, 8MP. A 12MP sensor would benefit the GH5, especially if they can put the latest tech on to the sensor with full sensor readout. The only problem I see arise with the GH5, is that will it cost more than the initial price of the GH4 as the GH4 price was higher at launch than the launch of the GH3.

Will the GH5 hit $2,000?

alcomposer

I know most people here think 8k is crazy talk for gh5- but Japan loves 8k. Also TV's have become obsolete ways of viewing footage. Think retina PC displays. And then there is simply the benifit of more pixels. Also panasonic looks like they are wanting to compete in stills world with gh line- which is easy right now with nikon and canon. An 8k sensor which utilised photo-video mode would make super sense!

Then again mostly every rep I have talked to says it will probably be lower resolution. So who knows!

forkazoo

I'll throw in some of my own speculation and guessing on the GH5. I think it will still record 4k. I don't think 6k/8k is at all likely. H.265 seems plausible if there is a cheap and easy off the shelf chip for it that meets the needs of the camera, but it isn't at all a sure thing. I am still holding out hope for something better than 8 bit recording. I'd prefer RAW recording in camera, but something like 10 bit H.264 or DNXHD seems a lot more likely. Shooting to a log picture profile may come out of the box rather than being a silly late expensive firmware update like on the GH4, once they realize that almost nobody has paid for the separate firmware update for the GH4. I also think that 4kp60 is a plausible upgrade.

For the questions at the start of the thread... At least mid 2016 before it is released, no release by Feb 2016. No larger sensor, but an update from the GH4 sensor, a bit better in low light, nothing mind blowing, no organic sensor. If they ever make an s35 camera, it won't use a u43 compatible mount with extra coverage lenses, it'll be a different mount. No specific cine lens release in sync with GH5 release. H.265 is a maybe. Probably similar body size to GH3/4. No revelation in programmability of the buttons - Panasonic still doesn't have a culture of end user customisation in that way. No 6/8k internal or external. 1080p120 seems plausible, if it can hit 4kp60 it'll have plenty of bandwidth. GH4 will be available for another two years, you can still but a GH3 and GH4 has been around for almost two years.

gabilourson

GH4R ?

http://cameratimes.org/panasonic-gh4r-announced-soon/

Sph1nxster

cant push 8k until 4k tvs are selling well. simple marketing

AKED

Just a question: I know it is absolute speculation in the article:

But 8K recording means, that every frame is roughly 32 mexapixel large if I am correct.

That will be hard work for a 16 megapixel sensor :-)

In other words either they double the megapixel in the GH5 sensor (which I doubt) or 8K recording is pure science fiction in the GH5.

Still it would be interesting whith what innovations Panasonic will come up in the GH5

gabilourson

http://cameratimes.org/panasonic-lumix-gh5-coming-2016/

The party begins :-)

apefos

My wishes for GH5 are here:

http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/11872/buy-gh4-or-wait..for-what#Item_28

RRRoger

It will be improved in every way over the GX8. Three things for sure. 1. 220+ minutes of Video Recording 2. Larger battery to record that long. 3. Better Sensor

IronFilm

Well, now details of the GX8 is trickling out we can easily guess at some minimum improvements it will have (everything the GX8 has?).

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