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Samsung NX1, $1300 4K flagman
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  • @Eno I totally agree. (Plus 265, and15fps with af)

    Its hard to judge the base line of the test as I can't understand any of the methodology. So wait and see.

  • @brianl where did you find brand new Nikon D7100 at 700$ am curious.

    • the NX 1 records 4K downscaled from 7K in super 35mm sensor size internally. For me this is the most attracting feature! 1500$ is cheep if the camera performs in 4K as expected. For now, I'm impressed with the jpeg image quality.
  • But is it $800 better?

  • 3200 on the nx1 is worse than 6400 on the nx1...so don't use 3200 on the nx1

  • Personally, I don't need to see any more tests. What a wipe out.

  • The results are definitely intriguing. You have to consider the well size of the NX1. The results are quite good considering this shouldn't be its strong point. 28MP APS-C vs 24MP FF of the D750

    I would like to see a lot more. NX1 tests have been strangely lacking. Considering you can order the thing I would think you would see some more info about it. I'm really most interested in the AF tracking of the camera. They say its the fastest af, but thats in a vary controlled situation. Traditionally mirrorless cams fall behind the DSLRs with the dedicated af module. At 15fps af tracking needs to be right on or you'll end up with a lot of misses and trash on your card. Comparatively the D750's af is great, its only 6.5fps but the video looks great too.

  • I don't see it as a just one stop difference, there a quality shift. However, you have to take these online examples with a grain of salt, sometimes they don't even focus the cameras properly.

  • @DrDave there is a difference, NX 1 ISO 6400 looks like D7100 ISO 3200. One ISO stop better performance than the best APSC out there, must mean something, even in jpeg mode.

  • I didn't expect it to wipe the floor, just maybe a tiny difference.

  • @DrDave what did you expect, D750 has one of the best FF sensor out there. Actually to my eyes NX 1 ISO 6400 looks a little bit better than D750 ISO 12800. This is definitely better than any APSC camera to date. I'm impressed.

  • Wow, the D750 just wipes the floor with the NX1.

  • Full size ISO test: http://www.focus-numerique.com/test-2033/compact-a-objectifs-interchangeables-samsung-nx1-bruit-electronique-12.html

    One thing thought, I don't know why he used Adobe RGB color profile instead of sRGB like the rest of the cameras he tested, the tonal curve and colors are strange on most monitors this way.

  • First ISO test with NX1 (very beta firmware):

    http://www.lesnumeriques.com/comparez-samsung-nx1-preserie-sony-a77-ii-nikon-d750-n36183.html

    The firs ISO series are with Samsung NX1, the second with Nikon D750 and the third with Sony A77 m2.

    Samsung-NX1_ISO_10_LMDN_25600_.jpg
    600 x 480 - 123K
    Nikon_D750_ISO_10_LMDN_25600_.jpg
    600 x 480 - 154K
    Sony A77 m2_ISO_10_LMDN_25600_.jpg
    600 x 480 - 248K
  • List of Video Specs from Samsungs site:

    • Format: MP4 (HEVC), AVI (M-Jpeg)
    • Compression: HEVC(H.265), M-Jpeg(VGA 30p only)t, Custom 1, Custom 2
    • Image Size: 3840x2160 (30fps Only), 4096x2160 (24fps Only), 1920x1080, 1280x720, 640x480
    • Frame Rate: 60fps, 30fps, 24fps NTSC / 50fps, 25fps, 24fps PAL
    • Multi-Motion Recording: x0.25(1280 30/25p, 720 30/25p, 480 30/25p only), x0.5(1280 60/50/30/25p, 720 60/50/30/25p, 480 60/50/30/25p only), x5, x10, x20
    • Quality: High Quality, Normal, Pro(3840/4096 only)

    I don't understand the Multi-motion setting. Is it a variable frame rate setting, timelapse etc?

    Presumably the quality is for different bit rates, all 4:2:0.

    Custom compression?

  • I was referring to a 10% speed of 240 fps, like the 96 fps conformed to 24 fps in GH4.

    Such thing still write as 240fps footage, just different key frame intervals and fps setting is used for playback.

  • @froboy88 sorry I didn't express myself clearly.

    I was referring to a 10% speed of 240 fps, like the 96 fps conformed to 24 fps in GH4.

  • @Eno how did you come up with HD240fps fitting in the 4k24p stream? Unless I'm missing something, as I'm not an expert here, the UHD (3840x2160) 30p has a higher data rate then 4k.

    (UHD8.3mp/frame)*(30frames/sec)=(249mp/sec)

    So the same data rate at 2mp/frame would allow for about 125fps.

    I have no idea how the bitrate or h.265codec factors into this. But it would seem that a simple calculation like that can tell you what the encoder might be capable of. I don't know why they wouldn't have used a stronger one to allow for the high fps the sensor is capable of. Would it be that much more expensive? Does all the hardware have to be improved by an equal amount to make it possible?

    I would say that those are irrelevant questions, as we get what they give us, but we don't nearly have the whole picture yet. Without tests and the final firmware.

  • I think a 10% slow motion from 240 fps can be done in 4K 24 fps. If the hardware is capable, why omit something like that. I'm pretty sure a lot of people may put it to good use.

    I wonder why there are no sample images taken with the final firmware of the camera yet? It must be already shipped for being in stores in two weeks. This is very strange, so much talk about revolutionary hardware in the camera and no real material out of it. I saw some disastrous pictures on Flickr but were removed very quickly.

  • Or maybe the engineers were getting the raw 28mp 240fps output from the sensor, without encoding. The hardware certainly can't encode this amount of data, and to store this stream as RAW would be totally impractical.

  • Vitaliy must be right. 240fps must be for AF, otherwise it seems strange for them to leave out even 240 fps HD. Other then that the encoder can't do it. I don't all know the details but fullHD at that speed would bottle neck at the encoder that can not do 4k60p. 7k would be insane. One can hope but I'm not holding my breath.

  • @Vitaliy_Kiselev 24 fps in 7K with h.265 wold be nice, h.265 codec supports in theory up to 8K and 60ps.

    Even 4K is enough if they don't screw up the JPEG engine of the camera! :))

  • This camera would be interesting to hack for enabling 7K recording and 240fps in h.265 :).

    Encoder certainly can't do it. I think even all his words about 240fps are fully inaccurate.

    Usually only engineers understand things right. 240fps in best modern cameras are used for contrast AF.

  • From the article @Vitaliy_Kiselev posted:

    DE: So, when it's clocking it off at 240 frames per second, is it not sampling all of the pixels? It reads the entire frame, but not every single pixel? Or does it read every single pixel? [I'm having a hard time believing the latter.]

    JK: Every single pixel.

    DE: Wow, so 28 megapixels, at 240 times a second. [This is mind-boggling faster than anything else we've ever seen before, outside very specialized and insanely expensive scientific systems.]

    JK: Yeah, software can't do that; this sort of thing is why we implemented such powerful hardware.

    WOW!

    This camera would be interesting to hack for enabling 7K recording and 240fps in HDMI output :).

  • "240 fps "video"... I'm surprised and somewhat disappointed they gave up on this feature. Even scaled HD recorded at that speed would be super cool and unheard of at that price point. Everyone I know loves slow motion, so it just sounds like an excuse. Tracking with the object moving across the frame is one thing, impressive but somewhat limited. I would be more interested in accurate auto focus for a subject moving fast toward or away from the lens. I'll be closely watching as the tests come in.