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Next jump in the future?
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  • In fact, displaye will be far ahead of content here.

    When? I see little evidence of this happening in scale.

    I remain skeptical; no content, displays, prohibitive costs and the fact 1080p hasn't even caught on yet. Also, there is no 4k mandate as there was with HD.

    4k might make for a popular NAB booth but out in consumerville, hard to imagine it succeeding. The real trend is like what's going on in music: lower resolution stuff that's streamable. 4k on an iPod is pointless.

    I think only Sony has a 4k projector for home use, it's $25,000!

    Most people in developing countries never used blurays, yet watch 1080p ;-)

    Is this really true? The developing countries I know of have zero HD broadcasting and not even Blu Ray yet. And in the US I don't believe 1080p is available.

  • So you are saying 4k adaptation will happen rapidly?

    I doubt it.

  • Without bluray, how to consume 4k contents?

    As tens of millions do today :-) Most people in developing countries never used blurays, yet watch 1080p ;-)

  • Most people don't wanna use their PC to watch contents.

    Most 4K TVs will have players who could play 4K by themselfs, as it is so today with 1080p sets.

  • Please not from your perspective. Look at it from general consumers. Most people don't wanna use their PC to watch contents.

  • Without bluray, how to consume 4k contents?

  • 4k TV, 4k receiver, 4k player, 4k bluray disks, 4k camera/cams... 4:2:0... DUH!!!

    In fact, just small PC with 4K support and 4k TV or display are enough.

    As for Blu-ray disks - forget this crap.

  • It's going to be years before 4k has any significant presence in display mediums

    It can be badly wrong assumption.

    In fact, displaye will be far ahead of content here.

  • 4k TV, 4k receiver, 4k player, 4k bluray disks, 4k computer screen. Plus 4k camera/cams with only 4:2:0... DUH!!!

  • +1. Netflix is barely 480p...

  • It's going to be years before 4k has any significant presence in display mediums. We can't even get people to watch Blu Ray. I pay a lot of money to Cox Cable for TV and most channels aren't even 1080i. Theaters are mostly 2k -- not significant anyhow since most people don't get their content viewed on big screen.

  • The next generation of so-called “4K” high-definition display technology for the home – giant-screen TVs with more than eight million pixels of resolution, four times the resolution of today’s high-definition televisions – will be called “Ultra High-Definition” or “Ultra HD,” connoting its superiority over conventional HDTV

    http://www.ce.org/News/News-Releases/Press-Releases/2012-Press-Releases/Consumer-Electronics-Industry-Announces-Ultra-High.aspx

  • Things are crazy amazing and crazy amazing price points. People shouldn't obsess so much over the next big thing. Make great content the next big thing. 4k is fool's gold right now.

  • The future is here as far as specs, it's now a matter of affordability. But I guess they are trying to keep the average person from owning a camera with top notch specs making YouTube videos of their cat.

  • @Vitaliy_Kiselev I changed title :-)

    @Sangye You stated a point much better than me, i find in your words something i would have wanted to say: the only hope is manifacturer takes risks. I was expecting the famous "3k for 3k$" for some time, and we know how it turned: a very good camera, but not the expected price point. It's impossible to make predictions, but sometimes a manufacturer go out of the cartel, i hope it will be Kineraw, now that China is reaching excellence. It wasn't for predictions, not only, it was for preferences in low budget. Thanks everybody for your answers.

  • Obviously, everyone wants a RAW camera shooting 4K at 60fps on a Super-35 sized sensor with 13+ stops of dynamic range and zero rolling shutter issues for under $5000,

    I much prefer 3D modular camera that'll shoot at special high dynamic range AVCHD, up to 120fps in 1080p.

  • It's obviously impossible to predict, but I think you can look at some current trends to get an idea of what technology will look like in the next couple years. I think we're going to see ultra high resolution sensors (4K+) with increased dynamic range in prosumer devices before too long. In fact I think we should expect to see 4K in consumer devices, including cell phones, in the next year or two. I also think we should expect to see much higher frame-rates coming very soon (1080p at 60fps will be standard very soon, 120fps in slightly higher priced models, 4K at 60fps won't take much longer either and should appear in prosumer devices within a few years).

    BMCC notwithstanding, I think cameras with RAW recording and 13+ stops of dynamic range may take a little longer to enter the sub-$5000 market. Most manufacturers that have the resources to develop a camera like this are producing cameras with those features in the $15,000 - $80,000 range, and so they would be severely undercutting themselves.

    Obviously, everyone wants a RAW camera shooting 4K at 60fps on a Super-35 sized sensor with 13+ stops of dynamic range and zero rolling shutter issues for under $5000, and although the technology for such a camera is pretty much already here, why would anyone price it at $5000 when they could sell it for $25,000 and still cause a sensation? The only hope is that a manufacturer like BMCC takes a risk and banks on the lower price point leading to far more sales.

    BMCC is without a doubt the best bang for the buck right now when it comes to cinema cameras. I don't think it's a revolution, though. Those features on a Super-35mm sensor and with 4K would have been revolutionary.

  • @jean71 it's pointless to predict such quantum leap on anything. no one has a crystal ball.

  • I really suggest to change topic title.