"one bailout at a time."

one day the debt will kill the States. one day dollar will lose its stand. that's correct... but the question is when. it might take a freaking long time. "the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent."

All take away and divide :-)

«—Да не согласен я.
— С кем? Энгельсом или Каутским?
— С обоими, — ответил Шариков.
— Это замечательно, клянусь Богом. Всех, кто скажет, что другая... А что бы вы со своей стороны могли предложить?
— Да что тут предлагать?.. А то пишут, пишут... конгресс, немцы какие-то... Голова пухнет. Взять всё, да и поделить...
— Так я и думал, — воскликнул Филипп Филиппович, шлепнув ладонью по скатерти, — именно так и полагал».

@svart

right on man, just buy silver...hate to say it, but thats the ticket.

It seems that many confuse greed with capitalism.

Capitalism works in theory, but human greed always trumps ideology.

I'm a right-winger by nature. Does that make me want to screw someone over for cash? I live within my means, have NO debt, and I am saving for retirement at a good pace. I don't even believe in credit and debt yet I am a capitalist. Does that make me want to go out and start a company so I can fire people at will? How about the modern version of pillaging? No, and there are probably a whole lot more of us like this in the USA than you'd think by reading online articles and such. Just as the US media distorts things, you can bet your ass that other countries do the same thing with their media. I've been around and I've seen it first hand. It's just how things are. People want to hear that they are the best and others are shit. The news media wants to sell shit so they just go and tell people they are the best while complaining about the worst in everybody else.. The greedy news media distorting facts to sell the news.. Go figure.

I watch folks binge and rack up huge debts through greedily wanting things they otherwise couldn't pay for. I watch greedy companies who raise credit card debt limits and then weeks later increase the interest rates after people consolidate their debts onto that card or into that account. I watch folks who cash out their retirement investments to buy stuff, or invest all their money into the stock market because they think they can make a lot of money quickly and then lose it all when rogues manipulate the market to serve themselves. I watch when people of the world complain about what should/could/would have been done to prevent all this, but they are all clearly blaming the wrong things.

I understand all the USA bashing going on around the world where people who feel like underdogs are going to complain about everything the USA does but Ideology isn't a thing that can be blamed. You can't blame a concept. People can be blamed. People SHOULD be blamed. People have distorted every single social ideology in history. Kingdoms, Marxism, Leninism, Communism, Capitalism, Republics, Democracies, Castes, etc, etc. The truth is that everyone is to blame because greed is natural and it's instinctual.

http://www.ted.com/talks/laurie_santos.html

I'm not going to be one to say that anyone's opinions are wrong. Everybody has their viewpoint and should be heard equally. Yes, the US economy is fucked. Yes, the basis of the whole collapse is greed. Yes, the citizens of the US are to blame for letting this happen through ignorance and greed. Yes, this will happen again and again and again because our inept government is too worried about getting re-elected and cashing in and not about actually fixing anything, which would considerably cut their incomes. Some of us are actually trying to fix this stuff. The problem is just like everywhere else in the world, the nostalgia and resulting lament for what the government was and *should* have been is greater than what the government actually is and nobody wants to admit that it's broken but can be fixed, albeit at great expense in both time and money, not to mention that pretty much everybody in the government would lose their jobs.

Our government has long since ceased serving the people and now the people serve it. Now go look at your governments and you'll see the exact same thing.

I know but look at the big picture. 30,000 people have lost their jobs because a corporation believes $11.5bn profit per annum isn't satisfactory.

Coke want to double their sales in the next 5 years. Has anyone followed capitalism through to it's logical conclusion and realised the damage it does to our way of life? They enslave people in offices whilst raping the environment, and there is no end to the scale of it.

Worryingly, human nature (or rather monkey nature) means people are more than happy to be enslaved by corporations as long as they get a nice pay cheque at the end of the month.

>Capitalism was created to serve us

Where did you got this strange thought?

>Main problem at the moment is that private companies are growing too large and too powerful, as a result people are too dependant on them.

It is not problem. It is solution as larger companies are more effective.

Too Big not to Fail

>Never seen a corp get sent away for 20-to-life, though
sounds like a good idea...

>And it's going to get worse since our Supreme Court thinks people and Corporations are the same thing.

Wasn't that because of the Anti-Slavery act- which was used to justify that a Corporation is a Person?
(there was a doco about this... can't wait for a serious doco to be made about this in 1 years time... so I can actually understand what is going on?! :-( (If we can still afford to make video then... maybe shot on the GH2?.... :D)

On that note... maybe someone somewhere should work out how much money could be saved if all of Hollywood/Worldwide cinema / news/ everything was shot on GH2vk? I am guessing $Bln's!

>We have two competing ideologies in America

Sadly with same sponsors and owners :-) So, I call them "competing" idealogies.

Pleased to hear that, sir.

"As I already said, no good exit exist, any solution will lead to worse life."

Maybe, but science, technology, and progress would argue... a good life is not always represented by dollars. Again, I wonder, why does your prognosis sound so gleeful. Axe to grind?