@MisterBink Yes just play with shutter speed until u get flicker less footage.then ya I found it . night footage is equal to pm footage in streampaser both of them has similar peaks Iframes mostly over 700 but falls below 800. average iframe peak for all canis patches is between 650 to 800 I feel.mysteron is a good patch for smooth filmic look soft in lights. I loved it once I used it in a city center mall shoot out. Canis pm looks a little soft which makes us think visibly its getting less details. But technically the fact falls beyond vision. All canis majoris patches does the same other than its luma coma adjustments. tele ex mode always grabs noise over iso 400 itself. I use them very rare tried once in my zoo shoot out which actually spoiled the footage. I realized it should be used only if the iso is below 400. extele has nothing to do with flickers it's pal ntsc modes and shutter speed which creates these. Try it out pal 1/25 to 1/100 NTSC 1/25 to 1/100 see what u get. I do this everytime when I get flicks.

@rajamalik - I bow to your knowledge sir :) Which (between PAL and NTSC) usually gets less flickering in your experience? I only tend to shoot at 24p mode

@MisterBink I learned this from sir driftwood he taught me how to overcome flicks from indoor lighting conditions. Pal 1/25 1/50 helped a lot. But it differs. Once I got less flicks from LCD monitor when I used NTSC. try if none of these helps change light add more light or replace existing light in the room. Halogen and tube lights gives more flickers than others.change and try.for me it was mostly with tube lights and ceiling serial halogens. I never got single flick with a tungsten. may be it also depends on its power try high power lights over 60w. halogens and tubes are below 40w electric power savers offcourse.

@thepalalias oh my do you mean even red epic does the same??? I never knew that even costly eqip will do. I thought it would be only with dslr,camcorders and handycams.

@thepalalias sometimes it's just an oversight. If you are flying through production, and you happen to have replaced all the flos with kinos, except in one little area, and are shooting 180 instead of 144, it'll happen. I've been there, and sometimes you have a director or producer that is like, "Fuck it, we're not going back and shooting it again" or "We don't have time for you to change the setting, and I'm afraid it won't match, and we're in overtime in 10 minutes...so fuck it."

@rajamalik @shian @thepalalias - I know the 'shutter flicker' of which you speak, but I'm talking about blueish streaks that flicker in grey tones and shadows. Here's an interesting discovery: Yesterday while playing with the shutter and exposures, I was shooting in EXTele, and it was really prominent in the shadows. You really can't miss it and the only thing that gets rid of it is Neat Video. Now when I switched EXTele off, it completely disappeared. The picture was perfect once more, no flicker, no distortion, just the great image of Orion 4B and Mysteron that I was using at the time. The effect is really quite an ugly sight to see, it looks like blue refresh lines flickering as the sensor refreshes, but again, a high contrast shot revealed this only to be in the shadows and in neutral spots like greys and such. I haven't seen anyone post on this sort of noise yet, has anyone else seen it? It's not affected by shutter speed at all...

@MisterBink I think I know what you are talking about. It is true, it has nothing to do with shutter speed. Check snapshot from VLC. Shot with Standard -2-1-2-2, CM Night, Voigtländer 25mm wide open. EXT Mode, ISO somewhere between 200 and 400 (I think). Do you mean those lines? If you look closely you can see them. They also flicker vertically in the original clip.

ooh, again lost overview.. Would anyboy be so kind and explain to me what's the difference between CM SkinTone Soft and CM SkinTone Soft Crossfire? Thanks in advance.

@Tobsen - Yep, that's it. But it's even more vile than shutter flicker... @luxis - Thank you for the advice, will search more extensively for other related posts. I used Neat Video and it took it away beautifully so that comes highly recommended. I do love some grain though, so Neat Video also removes that and it's a bit of a pain, but will just have to play around with it a bit more. Thank you to all who contributed to this topic, @rajmalik, thanks for your help! And thanks @Driftwood for encouraging us all to push further and harder into the world of filmmaking - Drew on DrewNetwork applauded you and said (basically said) that it's because of you that we can go on and do grand things with these cameras and patches, and he's right, it's absolutely true. Thanks to all. Will be posting some stuff very soon, have some short films I am planning to produce and of course they'll be dedicated to this community.

@adamzmith @rajamalik @zaven13 And let us not forget that coma also refers to "blob of light" effect you get when shooting with most fast aperture lenses wide open at night when pointed at light sources. So while I knew what you meant this time @rajamalik, it could easily get confusing. :)

@misterbink I had not watched your footage - I was commenting on the approach that had been described for checking shutter issues. As far as the problem you are having, it sounds similar to what I have often described as "shadow flicker" which I have issues with at times, at any shutter speed and in natural light. More importantly, I have issues with it in both full sensor and EX modes. If you are only getting it in EX mode, then that is good, but for me - I usually have to change the exposure level to make it disappear.

I have found it to be an unpredictable phenomenon and that I have to really over or under expose to make it go away - usually over, if I remember correctly. Now once again, not watching the videos because I am checking this on an older mobile (because it has a fast enough keyboard for me to spend times on forums like this). I seem to remember last time I checked, I was at least 6 times faster on it than on an iPhone and a lot faster than on a Droid 1 too.

@rajamalik I did not meant to rag on you friend. :) Sorry if it came off that way - I just meant that I did not think we should turn it into an abbreviation for that. If it was just a mistake, then all I can say is that I make many mistakes every day in my posts in terms of spelling errors and I do not want to make people feel bad about them.

Usually I only try to address misunderstandings, so sorry about that.

@thepalalias - That's exactly it... Here's some advice (if one could call it that), the other day, I walked around my place of work purposefully trying to get high contrast shots in ExTele and without, to see the results. I walked into a bakery and got a shot of a cake on a shelf, the cake lit perfectly, and the space next to it in complete shadow, so naturally I got this "shadow flicker". I dropped the footage into after effects and played with it to see what I could do, and the simple Brightness and Contrast plugin did the trick. Crushing the underexposed are makes the flicker unnoticable and the contrast of the shot is reminiscent of imagery from films like Magnolia and Super 8. Overall, you gotta light your stuff properly, and be prepared for some serious contrast.

@mrttt Awesome stuff there!