Sad Sad news, hope the 1080 50p si posible, on the other way, I just got a gh1 instead of the gh2, so for me is not that bad.

>1080 50p is posible

Looking at sensor setup I don't think so.
GH2 sensor speed looks almost the same as in GH1 (G2 is slower).

Well might give the next Ptool a go first...Im a bit of curiosity whore lol

> frazier is shot 24p on 35mm right? but we dont know what it is cut to. i assume it would be cut at 29.97 because of part durations needing to be exact.

Not sure, but part of the reason for shooting 24p could have been the easier conversion to PAL without horrible pulldown, so I would assume it was cut on 24p and then conformed.

> i dont remember ntsc>pal conversions having a duration change, so there shouldnt be a pitch shift, or speed shift between american and english versions,

Yes there was - see Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAL_speedup#576i_speed-up

"Motion pictures are typically shot on film at 24 frames per second. When telecined and played back at 576i25's standard of 25 frames per second, films run 4% faster. This also applies to most TV series that are shot on film or digital 24p.[2] Unlike 480i30's telecine system, which uses 3:2 pulldown to convert the 24 frames per second to the 480i30 frame rate, 576i results in the telecined video running 4% shorter than the original film as well as the equivalent 480i30 telecined video."

"Depending on the sound system in use, it also slightly increases the pitch of the soundtrack by 70.67 cents (0.7067 of a semitone). More recently, digital conversion methods have used algorithms which preserve the original pitch of the soundtrack, although the frame rate conversion still results in faster playback."

Vitaliy said:
"GH2 don't have 25p mode amongst sensor setup modes.
24fps, 50fps, 60fps, 120fps, but no 25fps."

It seems the hacked GH1 will remain the best solution for PAL 25p recording purposes. The best results I've obtained are with the 100Mbps Max Latitude Native 24/25p Patch:

http://www.personal-view.com./talks/discussion/162/100mbps-max-latitude-patch-v2-updated-for-ptool-3.55d#Item_23

@_gl
I was kinda joking! ;-)

Silly question but can 1080i 50 be made any better?

@madact I was thinking more in terms of in-camera, ie higher bitrate for 1080 50i if we can't have 25p. Or is 1080 50i basically never going to look that good whatever you do with bitrate?

Can't argue with any of that! Just seeing what the best solution is for those of us using the GH2 who have to do 25p.

Can the 24p mode be modified to 25p at all ? Or is that limited due to the way its hardcoded in the camera ?(probly because of no sensor setup for 25p as previously stated by V) It would be a fantasy if people could sacrifice 24p mode for 25p.

@Ptchaw - I'll repeat what I said before - if you're originating footage for a programme for ANY terrestrial broadcaster in the UK, you CANNOT conform from 24p to 25p. Please do not assume I don't know what I'm talking about, because post-producing for broadcast has been my day job for over 20 years. Feature films are often sped back up, but you'll see all kinds of motion artifacts (24 to 25fps pulldown cadence, where a field is added every 12 frames to make up the numbers). Speeding up footage by 4% in a non linear editor often results in motion smearing and other artifacts.
Every programme submitted to a UK broadcaster which has been edited by an independent post house is subjected to the most rigorous tech checks imaginable, and a 24-25fps conform would never survive this process. This is without starting to mention stuff like not shooting at native mains frequency to avoid light flicker and so on. So whilst the 24-25 conform workaround might work for you, it doesn't work for me, and I can't imagine why you're so negative towards a whole bunch of people who'd like to use the camera in this way. You don't need it? Fine - but don't deny us the opportunity to request 25p on these forums.

> GH2 don't have 25p mode amongst sensor setup modes.

@V., is it possible you can add new sensor modes, or modify the 50p/i ones for 25p? I assume these modes are just a collection of timing/windowing parameters?

If I remember right, Philip Bloom had a pre-production GH2 and had 25p, later on was complaining about it's removal in production stage , so was it firmware or hardware change ?