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Purple filter can improve Image on GH1/GH2..?!? Project Blue Light
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  • That greenish tint looks awful and I'd suggest you test skin tones to see if you can normalize them at all – they might look like corpses or like pigs …

  • I just did a quickie test with the GH1 with a canon 28mm f2.8. Set iso to 800, set white balance to 2500k and the red and blue sliders to the bottom right to get the most purple image. After poor color correcting, I got this:

    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/341/pinkwb.png/

    Looks normal, but look at the shot with white balance set to auto. Same settings otherwise:

    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/26/31995519.png/

    Look at the right wall where the phone is. PinkWB has no FPN, just grain, AutoWB has lots of FPN. Iso 800 is totally usable now.

    Can't wait til the filters I ordered come in. ^_^

  • No, totally depends on your scene's lighting.

  • @nomad @plasmasmp Are you saiyng that is better to shoot at 5.000 Kelvin?

  • i think more testing and support should be done by others as well. Vitality should know better how the gh1/2 work internaly with its colors. Maybe some coments from him or other expert could be of grate impact for this proyect. I find it interesting and quiet cheap correcting alternative. Keep on the good work.

  • Native WB of the GH2 is somewhere around 5000k, as I did a test with a 80A and a 85C against a mixed lit grey wall.

    white balance test.jpg
    1920 x 1080 - 496K
  • All silicon sensors have a native white around 5.000 Kelvin. Of course, the manufacturer might choose to balance their Bayer pattern filters differently without telling us. That said, I don't see too much sense in weakening the other channels in favor of the noisier ones in most cases – after all, you can never increase light by a filter. Only exception: if you can see that green is blowing out much earlier by looking at test footage with a waveform application with separate display, you could counter-filter to expose the footage higher to reduce noise in the other channels. If most of your noise is in the blue channel (like shooting low-light under very warm lighten like fire/candles or household bulbs) you could apply a mild CTB. Or you can noise-flter blue stronger than the rest, since the human eye doesn't resolve blue very well, so the visual sharpness won't be affected that much.

  • I have some marumi quality filters for underwater use, I'll give them a try on the GH1.

  • @bitcrusher I definitely think any color filter in front of the lens could have benefits depending on the situation, lighting, etc...

    I PM'd eyepatchentertainment if he had any info or experience with this. He said he didn't but he also didn't know about adding that much extra color but....

    "What I do believe in is leaving the white balance of the camera at its native WB and then filtering the incoming light to that temperature. On CCD cameras (F900 - DVX100) that brought a noticeable increase in Dynamic Range. "

    Now....anybody know the native white balance of the GH1/2s? Would doing something similar work on these cams and is this purple filtering a form of that?

  • I just gave it a try with green filters but theoretically that would mean that I would have to subtract everything in post. Also I am confused in what color space we are working in RGB for the sensor but CYMK filters. Dosen't the GH2 and GH1 work in a sRGB color space........

    Also it makes more sense to do this all in camera before it gets convered to 8bit no? I think this idea needs a ton of real testing.

  • @terry2 no idea. I've never seen any videos talking about pre-filtering your footage. It's all grading after in post.

    @Meierhans ...I did try some changing of white balance myself and shooting some 1600 iso footage and it looked bad, FPN same as always. I don't have a filter so I tried taking a purple dry erase maker and coloring a plastic sheet to see how that looked and while the image looked smudgy as hell, it looked a TAD better. Won't be able to do real testing til my filters come in. I think, since the FPN, or other problems are in cam, you need an "out of cam" solution.

    Does anybody have any purple or red or blue filters to play around with and see what they can do?

  • I would like to hear some opinion from those who digged into very depth of GH series on this topic as well. On the first glance it sound logical that if you raise the levels of "underexposed" color channels you will gain precision, however there is alot more in the chain to think about. Would altering the color balance in cam have the same effect btw?

  • So, what would be the difference between setting a more magenta white balance and put a magenta filter? Also, is magenta or purple?

  • If the Project Blue Light user is right, artificially adding more color in cam before grading, might be the answer to alot of the GH1's problems and would benefit the GH2 as well. I just ordered some Cokin P filters and holders...hope they'll come by next friday.

    @terry2 Vitaliy made a cryptic post a while back saying the GH1 could have total gamma control in the future....no idea what that means.

    The light loss wouldn't be a problem during the day as you could also use the filter in place of or to augment an ND filter. Loss of resolution I think could be minimal, and even if there was, a softer image isn't necessarily a bad image.

    @biginvegas posted this in the thread there, showing when he was shooting a BTS for a fashion shoot, he took some of the Pro-Photographers color filters and just manually held them in front of the lens....it created some nice looks, and the resolution looked fine to me.

  • @terry2 Since the WB is set before encoding to JPEG, it seems likely it is set before encoding AVCHD as well. It would be really odd for it to be the other way around.

  • @Vitaliy Also, is the white balance made before the encoding into avc or after. Could that be a solution or is too light?

  • @CRFilms I'm trying to understand too, as the opposite of Green is magenta. @Vitaliy In a 4:2:0 environment, can the amount of information for Blue and Red be pushed by software (Hack or patch etc)? Would a filter solution make it worth considering the loss of resolution even with top filters? Wouldn't kill any sense to have top lenses?