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48p is king
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  • @sohus Lead on, sooth-sayer, may the force be with you. I guess my fridge full of Vision 2 will go for a fortune on e-bay.

  • Yes I am afraid you are right....it's a digital world now

  • @roberto Kodak is bankrupt. Who is going to produce the 35mm required in next decades hit movies? Film is dead. Face it. Fuji might take over but the dead of Kodak only rushes the switch to digital.

    I guess they have some film stocks left and Kodak will most likely do some final runs so they have another 5 years to go but if you want to take out risks, digital is the way to go.

  • So far, persistence of film as acquision format is reflected in the top-grossing movies of 2011 (Animation not counted)...

    Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 -35 mm (Kodak Vision2 200T 5217, Vision2 500T 5218)

    Transformers: Dark of the Moon Worldwide Gross: $1.1 billion Film negative format (mm/video inches) 35 mm (Kodak)

    Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides (Disney Digital 3D™) -Redcode Mysterium-X RAW

    The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn Part 1-35 mm (Kodak Vision3 250D 5207, Vision3 500T 5219)

    Fast & Furious 5 - Film negative format: 35 mm

    The Hangover Part II - 35 mm (Kodak Vision3 500T 5219)

    Rise of the Planet of the Apes - 35 mm (Kodak Vision3 250D 5207, Vision3 500T 5219)

    Thor - 35 mm (Kodak Vision2 50D 5201, Vision3 250D 5207, Vision3 500T 5219)

    Captain America: The First Avenger: 35 mm (Kodak Vision2 200T 5217, Vision3 500T 5219)

    I'd be surprised if more than 1 in 100 films are shot on film. But so far most of the best ones are!

  • We were informed by industry source to prepare for these changes maybe the next NAB will announce it. I suppose you also have not heard of projection server facility where projection thru various cinemas is done thru a single cockpit and delivered thru a server mode. Piece the puzzle my friends n do your own sourcing and you will see the rationale to the new 48p standard that will be knocking on your doorsteps sooner than you can comprehend.

  • @Athiril

    Film is double flashed at the cinema

    Actually, most film projectors are triple-bladed; hence the flicker rate is 72 flicks per second. You see each frame of a 24fps film interrupted by the blades three times in a row.

  • @brianluce "digital has supplanted film for acquisition;"

    "the majority of Hollywood features are not shot on digital;"

    Which of these contradictory statements did Variety mean?

  • @Athiril The human eye ceases to distinguish individual frames after 14fps. Try it yourself. 18fps was plenty for amateur filmmakers. 24fps was almost overkill. The only way 24fps flickers is when a subject moves fast over a big screen when viewed up close. Faster frame rates are better for games and will be better for fast motion movies, too.

  • I dislike shooting in "24"p. Film is double flashed at the cinema (48fps) hence 24 fps which is actually too low to sustain motion instead of separate images is jerkytown. That's where the 48 fps is coming from.. I do think 24p should go the way of the dodo, and quickly, 24 fps is for film that is double flashed.

    Even when I shot Super16mm I shot it at 25 fps.

  • @blues your mouth is still flapping, but you've still not answered. Source?

  • 56,78fps is the king :-)
    First, it is cool.
    Second, it is dandy.

  • @blues - once more, your source?

  • The future is here right in our midst. Film industries and equipment manufacturers are now poised to do a technological adaption to the new market trends. 48p will be king!

  • I only know what the Variety article reported, and they said digital has supplanted film for acquisition. Pretty credible source by most people's standard in that it's the primary Hollywood trade journal.

  • @brianluce

    Preferred acquisition format is film. Digital intermediate will probably benefit from a higher frame rate which is a multiple of the current 24fps so as to provide backward compatibility with existing films.

    Final release is already digital and growing.

    As for original post, @blues your source please :-)

  • @L1N3ARX There was an article in Variety a few months ago stating the majority of Hollywood features are not shot on digital.

  • Well since hollywood is actually a conglomeration of thousands of different entities all producing distinct projects... this only applies to distribution infrastructure, in that projectors etc will be updated and all changes will be set in motion as to accommodate filmmakers who choose to go this route. Before we even talk about 48p, digital cinema will need a larger foothold in the industry. The vast majority of movies are still being shot on film stock (although, not for long.. I hope). Only when digital has truly crushed film will a change like this actually make manifest... and even then, it will be a long and slow road to a unanimous acceptance of 48p.

  • @blues Don't be so fast. The 99% can't catch up that fast :)

  • Source details please

  • am dead serious, most of the theatres will digitize. there is a projector assistance program offered to all cinemas to phase out all 35mm projectors within the next 2 years coupled with digitizing program to help defray cost for K2 and K4. the standard is 48p.

    if you notice the trend in the film now is go beyond 2 hours.40 percent of the films are that long now,the 90 minute standard length will be the thing of the past.Why? because audiences prefer the long film now so the visual preferences of audiences are changing.plus the occupancy rates of the cinemas are low and the only way to keep them in the malls or cinemas since the aircons and heaters are on anyway is to stretch their time inside.

    this is the real thing and not just for 3D..........

  • lol no. For 3D it will be, for everything else, 24p will be here for another century

  • Jeez. However unlikely as I think it is, I sure hope this doesn't become an industry standard. Not a fan of the look. But more importantly not looking forward to twice the render time for a second of vfx work.

  • The Hobbits

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