Police state

The law is that peaceful protestors aren't arrested in the UK. Only if they turn violent. Why do 20-30 members of the Russian public - respectful, educated people, students - need a circle of 150 police around them? What are they scared about...

Let's get a little enlightment here, this tatic was developed in the most royal land of the holy queen of england and it is used to this day. It was developed with her royal majesty citizen subjects rights in mind and the main focus group was their beloved hard labour workers. Also, it was to be a softer version of the treatment her majesty reserved for protest leaders (nominally assassination, or misterious accidental deaths in very convenient moments if you prefer).

Things are, you aren't arrested if you're peacefully protesting. Here "peacefully" don't cover any act of agression or "implied agression" by any of the person of the group after being corraled by a bigger force of armed thugs taunting and beating their shields for hours and hours and hours, possibly under the effects of pepper spray, teargas or beating, neither "peacefully" cover anyone breaking down and trying to break off and run or anything (it would be implied agression). If anything like that occurs ALL the people get beated an arrested. If nothing of it happen, you spend the whole day like shit and you go home like shit, you're not arrested. Peacefully cover this.

Now go ask UK police masters, or any police in your list of civilized countries btw, what they scared about.

I really am not interested in a nationalist point scoring competition between countries... Whose citizens have the most freedoms, etc. I am only interested in the facts about Putin. It is a police state. That's fact. Of course you can point to examples of police brutality in Europe and claim "they are protecting and serving the ruling class." but let's talk about Putin instead.

Protecting and serving the ruling class describes the Russian police to a tee.

It's a dumb position to let hatred of capitalism make you an apologist for Putin, the most capitalist of the capitalists.

He is someone who treats communism as merely a mechanism or system for self enrichment and self promotion. Has done since the FSB / DDR / Stasi days.

You have a Russian citizen facing a 3 year jail sentence because he missed a meeting with his parole officers while in a coma because Putin wanted him dead.

Fair?

@balldawg14

You can check simple explanation at https://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/24970/socialism-on-liberals-and-bad-dicatatorships

@AndrewReid_EOSHD

Check also this link, as you keep banging your head on the door that is just being drawn on the concrete wall by ruling class.

Capitalism is so terrible, blah blah blah. If it's so terrible, why did the DDR have to build a small wall in Berlin to stop their citizens moving to the west? Why isn't Taiwan banging on the door of the CCP saying 'we surrender', 'let's be one country under Xi', because living standards and freedom are so poor in Taiwan of course they are - by the way I've lived there, and of course it's a far better place to live than China, and so is Hong Kong... And yet the Taiwanese stubbornly refuse to recognise the great attraction of the communists on the other side of the strait. In Hong Kong, all those young students (and basically the vast majority of the silent public including many highly respected camera & lens companies) are just gagging for the warm embrace of Jinping aren't they? The Polish, another country who when faced with the choice between East and West, of course could not resist the attractive allure of communism and couldn't wait to dump the imperialistic British and Europeans for a better life under Soviet dictatorship.

Anyway lets not get into that because the headline topic is about Navalny and his tiny number of followers being kettled. Should stay on topic. I know it's hard but let's try.

In court today Navalny hears the absolutely factual legal case against him from the prosecutors...

He is accused of hiding in Germany! Yes

The Moscow Prison Service claimed so, so it must be true.

Responded Navalny: "Why are you deceiving the court by saying you didn't know where I was? You had my address, my contact details."

Indeed. Even I knew which hospital he was in. It was a bike ride distance away from me in Berlin.

But it seems Navalny's real crime in Russia is to forget writing down his German address for the Moscow Prison Service and submitting it before leaving Russia in a coma.

Charitépl. 1, 10117 Berlin, Germany

Alas by the time he'd opened his eyes the next month he was now in breach of the 'LEGAL' system in Putin's Russia.

I know Vitaliy you like to stick to facts in camera discussions and matters of politics.

You should defend the facts as they are blinding obvious in this case.

The Russian authorities are not even trying this time.

It is so glibly transparent and lazy - because they take your fellow socialist citizens for fools, that's why.

You mean the link where you write that Western capitalism = fascism?

What is there to understand?

Of course there's plenty of fascism all around the world in all countries to varying degrees. Putin embodies the very meaning of the word Fascism. Destruction of those who disagree. "Search for a common enemy. Establishment of military order. Intensive brainwashing propaganda. Diverting attention of the masses with false goals like nationalism."... and I may add the following - Police state. And corrupt judiciary.

This is Putin's fascist Russia to a tee.

RT news for example is 100% Kremlin controlled. You prefer to believe your own ruling class news and TV, and therefore this makes you a hypocrite.

Oh gosh, they also interfered with our elections and used a super-deadly poison that didn't kill anybody...twice. And they hate gays! Thank God we have people like you to set us straight with detailed and informed arguments.

And I'm an American, who doesn't believe his ruling class news and TV, you know like the blah, blah, blah drivel coming out of your mouth. I don't live there right now, which is why I don't spout bullshit that sounds like 80's commie rhetoric. The fact that you still believe this shit puts you in another level of NPC altogether. I actually see other news from, oh I don't know Thailand, Hong Kong, Belarus and now lookie Myanmar! Your excuses in 2021 for more regime overthrow are as tired as your camera reviews.

I usually stay quiet here, Vitaliy's got most everything covered, but he's right this retarded shit doesn't belong here. Go post on twitter.

Here's an interesting take from someone who actually studied in high school-

http://johnhelmer.net/oligarchy-in-russia-alexei-navalnys-telling-mistake/

@AndrewReid_EOSHD

Next time you say PV member to shut up think twice, ok? As it is not tolerated here and you must remember this.

Focus on Putin

Your issue is that you don't read anything longer than news headline, just no habit yet.

You failed to understand even basic simple post I linked and did not start start analyzing all you retell us from the media.

Discussion is not about who who is louder, it is who has better knowledge and this require real good time spent at least.

What about Russia and Putin? How about it? That's the topic, isn't it?

Ukraine guys also had been told to focus on their ex president apartment (this one you also do not know or forgot totally), now they have real clown ruling them with instructions going directly from US and EU. Just their salaries shrunk, expenses to simple things like water or heating tripled (now EU buys all this bad non green energy :-) surprise), most medicine destroyed and privatized and so on.

@AndrewReid_EOSHD

Go hunt your own dearly nazi before you think you better than others because you're british.

You're the guy who mentioned UK in the first place. You want to talk Putin but in reallity you bring UK terror tatics that you don't even move a finger to acknowledge. Fuck putin, you don't give a fuck, it's basic old imperialistic rethoric that others are uncivilized, just you don't even properly informed to make that talk properly and get in faux pas (sicerely hope it's just mistake and you not such shit person).

Stop pretending and start worrying your own little imperialistic shithole.

This forum is full of people who think East Berliners were sad when the wall fell.