@kurth

the age old conflict between religion and science.

Both religion and science are tools, so it can't be any conflict between them by itself.

All you see is conflict between exploiters who are literally feeling rope on their neck and the people who will kick the stool soon.

It’s all about the money !

I’m not overthinking @kurth, i really do believe this is more a concept of change than a pandemic.

The virus is real, the political economical anthropological changes also are.

But why WE must change also cos others say so?

Apart from the launch of antimicrobial notebook models to help consumers adapt to new living conditions in the wake of the pandemic, Acer has been also optimizing its AI technology assisting Taiwan's government to implement disease control measures and to install infrastructure to fight the disease.

Greed and scam.

@RoadsidePicnic

Final part of article

According to the study, data released by the US Center for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that 40% of the American population may be asymptomatic, but in countries where the use of masks is national this percentage could rise to 80%, which it means that most have only mild illness.

I have no idea that your comment means.

On timing and coordinates

This is the moment we are now. Almost no visible fire, smoke came down significantly.

But every viewer of previous grand spectacle know how it ends :-)

Theres no such thing as limited viral load transmission and controled contagion in the streets reality, as masks use is token only, and much more crapy thing than cirurgical masks.

Again, can you be more clear?

For me it looks as made to calm down individuals and tell that while surgical mask is not ideal but it will will stop lot of the virus load and you need to feel good as probability to be extremely sick is very low for you.

Vaccine efficiency is never promised to be 100%, can check various estimates in this same topic - 30-60% tops.

Same time good half mask efficiency with P3 filters is 99,99% considering all but your eyes. I still did not see even single article with research on that percentage of coronavirus got via eyes and not lungs. And it obviously requires all such people to constantly wear such half mask.

@kurth

There's presymptomatic transmission, but asymptomatic transmission is an urban myth meant to instill us with so much fear we might even.... wear respirators !

It could be nice if people feared little more and had respirators even (half mask is different thing), as it is big number of coughing people here now (most do not have coronavirus, of course). And no one have special green warning lamp alerting you that person wants to cough in your face in next 5 seconds (I got flu multiple times from such behaving persons who looked pretty nice before this :-)).

Also as far as I know your claim is wrong, you can just make search and will find that asymptomatic case has clear definition as positive PCR test without major covid symptoms reported by individual. Here always second PCR test is being made, I think it is same in EU and US. So, test false positive rate is much lower than actual reported individuals without symptoms.

How exactly "presymptomatic" differs here from asymptomatic I have no idea.

pcr tests unreliability.... https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/if-the-pcr-test-is-unreliable-why-are-health-officials-demanding-the-public-be-tested/

@kurth

pcr tests unreliability....

Dr. Persse says that when the labs report numbers of COVID-19 cases to the City of Houston they only offer a binary option of “yes” for positive or “no” for negative. “But, in reality, it comes in what is called cycle-thresholds. It’s an inverse relationship, so the higher the number the less virus there was in the initial sample,” Persse explained. “Some labs will report out to 40 cycle-thresholds, and if they get a positive at 40 – which means there is a tiny, tiny, tiny amount of virus there – that gets reported to us as positive and we don’t know any different.”

I think man not understand that nasal swab is not some reliable method to determinate number of viruses. This is why PCR can be run for different amount of cycles. In real life PCR samples are 100-200 in each test (we had topic on PCR here on PV) and they are run for same amount of time. So where they have more virus it will be stronger detection, but it is never reported (for other viruses it is same).

Fighting with false positives is very easy - get two swabs and sent to two labs that use different primers even. False positives will be below 1%.

so Moderna...remember them and their rna producing vaccine ....along with partnered Darpa...remember them ( who could forget ) want to make a nanotech implant that communicates by 5g and changes a person's dna and produces a vaccine thru rna magic. OF course the communicated directions could tell it to do anything to a human body.... https://www.mintpressnews.com/darpa-covid-19-vaccine-implant-mrna/271287/

@Vitaliy....lol, so you say.....

https://www.darpa.mil/program/in-vivo-nanoplatforms .... https://www.darpa.mil/program/in-vivo-nanoplatforms https://www.forbes.com/sites/federicoguerrini/2014/08/29/darpas-electrx-project-self-healing-bodies-through-targeted-stimulation-of-the-nerves/#3029f0bd162f .... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3807224/ ..... mintpress is one of the best information sites in alternative "western" media.

@Vitaliy...the article is meant to instill curiosity in the reader, to follow links and google others. And since you didn't read the followup links I provided you have no idea how speculative it is. And I presented you with just a simple result. 98% of darpa is classified. You, nor I, have any idea what they're now doing, nor how far down that road they've gone.