Panasonic GH5S GH5 S, 4K Video Edition

DrDave

Is that how to eliminate rolling shutter? I always thought you had to roll the camera.....

Vitaliy_Kiselev

In same place

With the camera in Creative Movie Mode, set the shutter angle to 180 degrees to eliminate rolling shutter and to give a cinematic look.

Brian_Siano

This article reports that the GH5S is capable of 14 stops of dynamic range, properly calibrated. https://www.mysterybox.us/blog/2018/1/8/panasonic-gh5s-hdr10

Opinions?

konjow

There will be one more GH6 version: No No No NO No, good AF - yes - $2999

BTW: MAR back - real bravo!!!!!

Aria

NONE of my Panasonics have IBIS. I can live without it for the BENEFIT of better low light. The lack of light is my biggest enemy since I do a lot of Live Events like Concerts, Weddings and other situations where I can't use video lights. If there were no options to address Image Stabilization at all then I might see the complaints being necessary. I think for MANY shooters this addresses a bigger issue for them than the need for IBIS.

Also I could just add a cheap GX85 if I want to have one handheld for those times where it's absolutely necessary to have great stabilization.

eatstoomuchjam

Yup. Kai still possesses at least some of his soul. :)

Scot

@eatstoomuchjam Or those fancy dinners with shiny gold christmas crackers. What they do lose is credibility and that loses clicks too. I found this more informative to the point

Eno

@apefos

The only way Sony can "kill" Panasonic is by being to close one another. Sony will eventually overheat and also fry the Panasonic along with it. :)

apefos

Sony needs to update the apsc line cameras with a 4k60p model, some kind of a A6700 or A7000, reduce the megapixels and keep IBIS on it = kill panasonic.

IronFilm

Professionals? No, they can afford better and more expensive cameras.

It is the perfect B cam!

Not all professionals film exclusively on five figure cameras.

But the price is little bit on the expensive side, they could buy used BM/Sony A7s (II) camera or something for same or little bit more money.

Yeah, but I'd much MUCH rather have the superior GH5S than those you mentioned.

eatstoomuchjam

If the reviewers don't act properly impressed by every new expensive camera, they may receive fewer pre-production units for testing and they won't get all of the clicks on the day when the product is announced... and even worse, they may miss out on hot air balloon rides.

Scot

@Vitaliy_Kiselev Perhaps they will make a new modular camera so you can add them as modules! (that's a joke but like you said don't kick me). Personally not as impressed with what I have seen as the reviewers seem to be. That being said I'd have to use one to be sure. I think I'd spend the $500 on more lights.

peaceonearth

@tonalt it's a perfect lowlight and B-Camera not only but for sure for EVA-1, Varicam LT and GH5.

Eno

@Vitaliy_Kiselev

I personally am very happy with the Panasonic decision to make 3 flagships cameras instead of one cause I got the G9 which serves me the best from the 3 and it's also the cheapest. If at one moment I need more special video features and insane low light I can rent the GH5s. This whole situation (which you ridiculed) gave me more choices, and I'm glad because of it. :)

By the way, I'm pretty sure the GH6 will have 8K video and probably most deviations of it also.

Vitaliy_Kiselev

@DrDave

There will be a version with IBIS. But it will be missing something else.

New lineup

GH6 $1999 - 30Mp m43 sensor, IBIS, 4K 60fps at 100Mbit, with heavy moire and slow AF, $99 VLOG
GH6R $2699 - 40Mb m43sensor, IBIS, 4K 30fps at 50Mbit, horrible noise and DR, $199 VLOG
GH6V $2999 - 20Mp m43 sensor, IBIS, 4K 60fps at 200Mbit, slight moire, GH5 level DR, $99 VLOG
GH6S $2999- 10Mp m43sensor, no IBIS, 4K at 120fps 400Mbit, no moire, better DR, two free VLOG options
GH6LE $999 - 20Mp m43sensor, no IBIS, 4K at 30fps 50Mbit, slight moire, low DR, $299 for VLOG

Just do not kick me too hard if they will do exactly this lineup.

DrDave

There will be a version with IBIS. But it will be missing something else.

Vitaliy_Kiselev

@tonalt

This one is simple.

Panasonic was long asked to make low res high DR sensor small camera.

As they made it became obvious that you need proper cooling, hence no IBIS.

As for audience, it will be mostly rich guys who want best filmmaking camera without shooting anything except their cat at backyard.

tonalt

It puzzles me that who are the target users for GH5s. Vloggers? No, IBIS is a must. Semi-expensive camera for family & holiday videos? No, IBIS is a must. Professionals? No, they can afford better and more expensive cameras. Semi-serious short film makers? Maybe if they add gimbal to it. But the price is little bit on the expensive side, they could buy used BM/Sony A7s (II) camera or something for same or little bit more money.

Vitaliy_Kiselev

Samples

http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/panasonic_lumix_gh5s_review/preview_images

kellar42

I recently shot a 13 episode ( www.youtube.com/senseofplaceshow ) travel thing around Europe and the US I am editing them in mixed order. 5 were GH4 hand-held with a cage and EVF for another point of contact, but not full rig, and A7s on a gimbal into an Assassin for 4k. The other 8 were GH5 handheld with no EVF and the A7s on a gimbal into a Flame for 4k.

The GH5 was a jump for the better color and handling of Vlog (when I use it, I've gone back and forth), but without question, as I edit this material back in mixed order, I really notice the IBIS difference in GH5 material. I'm editing a GH4 ep right now, and it's just...looser, I guess...still looks pretty good, but run and gun crazy hand-held looks like run and gun crazy hand-held. There is something remarkably smoother about the GH5 eps...still hand-held sometimes, but as if it was from a heavier camera, or planned.

IBIS changes the way a camera feels and what you can do with it, opens up creative possibilities, and makes me hope for a future where all cameras can be rock solid when I stand still, or maybe even act like a gimbal without a gimbal someday.

So while I don't get the sudden effort to minimize IBIS, I don't see the need for argument the other way, either...to me, the GH5s looks like a flexible EVA1 (I happen to be a fan of small form factors), with the option of an XLR module and speedbooster it is an extremely powerful little beast, and there are tripods and gimbals and what-not to stabilize. As my aging, ailing A7s comes up for replacement, I imagine I'd still say A7s, but I can see how someone might not want the color matching headache, and pair a GH5 and GH5s.

IronFilm

I skipped the gh5 because it didn't have the MAR sensor.

Not even GH3 or GH4 had it either! Nice to return back to GH2 world :-) Good times.

I found some fun GH5S memes on FB:

DrDave

Idea for camera: GH5 S with IBIS, blue button to turn IBIS on/off.
@plasmamp the MAR on the GH2 was a nice look. My 12mm particularly but also the 14mm.

GeoffreyKenner

Was thinking of getting a GH5, might just wait a bit, save a few more extra and go for the GH5S. I especially liked the few samples showcasing "fine noise" unlike the less noisy but much more blocky look of other low light cameras. I always thought noise play an important part into perceived sharpness of an image and removing it just loose that extra thing. Also multi aspect ratio and lack of Stabilizer (I hate stabilizer for shooting movie).

plasmasmp

I skipped the gh5 because it didn't have the MAR sensor. I feel this is the first real GH camera since the gh2 since we are back to 1.85 crop.

Vitaliy_Kiselev

@Eno

I believe this video is present on previous page.

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