Additional observations (it's still a very good deal).
1. Looking at some grey swatches you can see minor uniformity issues.
2. "red" is ever so slightly orange, even after careful calibration. To be fair, most monitors are kind of orangey, but the good ones have a red that is red. Possibly this is to improve skin tones....However, even my cheapo Benq monitor has a true red.
The other thing is it takes a really long time to get the mouse across town!
About 1060
get 6GB version, as RAM is important for video editors. especially Resolve is hungry, but many plugins also.
https://www.amazon.com/ZOTAC-GeForce-ZT-P10600A-10L-Compact-Graphics/dp/B01I5O5AP2/
I’m happy with 1060 mini ,does good job inside davinic with raw and prores 4K ,it hiccups when I add ofx plugin (almost unusable frame playback ) ,not sure if that’s a davinci issue
tempt to update my old desktop from gt640 to gtx 1050 Ti; a waste of money? which graphic card is best bang for buck to edit 4k with this monitor?
Why it is waste of money? if you want to just play and do very simple things even GT 1030 will do.
For any good GPU based editor it is best to get 1050 Ti as you want.
tempt to update my old desktop from gt640 to gtx 1050 Ti; a waste of money? which graphic card is best bang for buck to edit 4k with this monitor?
However, 24p footage looked terrible.
You always need to check HDMI port mode. In PC mode it can make forced 60p processing.
Also use MadVR as renderer - https://wiki.mikejung.biz/MadVR#MadVR_Smooth_Motion
24p update: the TV does show the frame rate, but only for a few seconds when you turn it on. After messing with the graphics card, I did amazingly get the TV to show 24p. Shocker. However, 24p footage looked terrible. But it may be possible to get it to work. For now I'm just living with a bit of judder. If the monitor did 120p I think you could have a good 24p.
Backlight: there are some small uniformity issues. You see it only if you have a big area of black or grey.
Built in media player: I'm testing that now, as I mentioned before the JPEG display is really fantastic. It also plays my high bitrate mp4s (but still the 24p problem).
Good idea. 40" size is right for 4K, no zoom needed.
Note - Colormunki deal today
https://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/18307/x-rite-colormunki-display-for-99
PWM makes it look weird to me! It looks to me like the PWM only cuts in below 60 percent of the brightness, so I just keep it at 70-80 percent.
It looks like this. Can also check https://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/18295/pv-lab-looking-at-pwm-of-gimbals#Item_1
the backlighting--you can't control it so sometimes it affects the tonality across the image when grading. It's a minor problem, but definitely a problem. Maybe there is a hidden setting to disable it... Many large monitors have problems with grey uniformity
You mean it is some problem with backlight uniformity? It is direct led backlight with not too many leds.
Vizio had best direct backlights I know, but not sure how they are today.
@Vitaliy PWM makes it look weird to me! It looks to me like the PWM only cuts in below 60 percent of the brightness, so I just keep it at 70-80 percent.
Re the backlighting--you can't control it so sometimes it affects the tonality across the image when grading. It's a minor problem, but definitely a problem. Maybe there is a hidden setting to disable it... Many large monitors have problems with grey uniformity across the screen, the Samsung is decent, but I wouldn't call it great. It is definitely not the power saving feature as I turned them all off.
Re 24p etc I don't think the monitor supports 24p, unlike my seriously cheap Vizio, but I will see if there is an app for it. An app won't help with playback from the USB. There is also a film mode that is greyed out. I have tried the judder removal on low and it seems to help, but it isn't 24p. On my Vizio, it just switches to 24p automatically (however the newer Vizio model that I briefly tried did not.....). Also, on the Vizio, if you hit the info button it shows you the frame rate. The Samsung shows just the resolution.
Input lag-- No biggy. Not a deal breaker by any means, and I don't use it for gaming. Of course, it is a lot of real estate to cover.
@Mark041 if you have an HDR sample (small) I can put it on a stick and play it. I haven't tried the YouTube app yet. In the menu you can turn on Auto HDR--the short description says it will then turn itself on or off depending on the source. From what I hear, at this price you won't be thrilled by the HDR mode, but it is present.
Hey, it was $299......and black is pretty black.
If I play an HDR video either via the HDMI port or through the usb port using the TV player, will it know it is HDR? Is there a setting for HDR video, or does it require metadata, or what?
For USB port need to look for people who have experience with Samsung TV player and if it supports HDR already.
For HDMI need to look for appropriate software players and test clips.
Similarly, if YouTube plays an HDR video, will it detect that the TV is capable of HDR?
This is also complex. If Youtube is in build in TV app you need to check it. If it is on PC, need to check specific browser and specific GPU you have (even drivers version).
Ideally you want Pascal generation Nvidia cards, they support HDR and HLG. But most fun thing that VP9 10bit HDR (youtube format) is supported by hardware decoder only by lower end cards (1050 Ti and lower) and 1080 Ti.
Question, not answered by the manual:
If I play an HDR video either via the HDMI port or through the usb port using the TV player, will it know it is HDR? Is there a setting for HDR video, or does it require metadata, or what?
Similarly, if YouTube plays an HDR video, will it detect that the TV is capable of HDR? Or does, again, something need to be set on the TV?
Awkward at framerates--if you work in 24p you won't like the cadence, but I find it OK for editing nonetheless.
If you want to check cadence need to use utilities that switch to 24p mode.
Some input lag, even though slight
It depends on mode, and as I remember actual measurements it is same as normal monitors.
Backlight dimming is unpredictable, AFAIK.
It is just some wrong power saving settings.
Uses PWM, so if you dim it, it can be blurry. I didn't notice this but some ppl are more sensitive to PWM.
Brightness control via PWM does not make things blurry. Actually it is how all dimmable led lights and almost all backlights are controlled. You can be sensitive only to very low frequency PWM.
My quick take on this TV/Monitor:
The good
The bad
Overall, kind of a no brainer. It looks great, and it is dirt cheap. You can nitpick about the framerates and some of the tweaks but it is, after all, the bottom of the 4K lineup.
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