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  • @Vitaliy_Kiselev "More probably you want paid version only so it'll be less competition :-) Deep down :-)

    No, you really have no idea. No need to tell me about my own experience or what I really want.

    As for "professional colourists", it is like old vinyl. Present in each and every CAD, drawing etc software developers boards."

    Well that makes no sense at all. None of your statements in this topic are clearly thought out or articulated.

  • @caveport

    Personally I would be happy if BMD scrapped the free version and only made a commercial version. Then we could get more focus on fixing some of the issues that professional colourists have been asking for over the last few versions, instead of the addition of lots of feature requests from noobs.

    More probably you want paid version only so it'll be less competition :-) Deep down :-)

    As for "professional colourists", it is like old vinyl. Present in each and every CAD, drawing etc software developers boards.

    @Scot

    I guess I did not notice having a way under powered graphics card so have always made proxies. Seems a strange choice as anyone trying it out using common H264 would experience the performance loss and perhaps choose not to go with Resolve because of it.

    It has nothing to do with GPU power, but with special decoding block in GPU present now in all Intel, Nvidia and AMD GPUs.

    As I can understand BM now they want to slowly turn free version into some kind of trial. They have big hope that they could pull the trick with lowering price and forcing most users to buy it. I already told where it ends, but they need to go it full way in.

  • @Vitaliy_Kiselev I guess I did not notice having a way under powered graphics card so have always made proxies. Seems a strange choice as anyone trying it out using common H264 would experience the performance loss and perhaps choose not to go with Resolve because of it. So IMO that is shooting them self in the foot and could negatively effect there growth. The publicized limits are enough to encourage paying IMO.

  • I fully understand Vitaliy's view on this. I also disagree 100%. Unfortunately that must mean I don't understand. Personally I would be happy if BMD scrapped the free version and only made a commercial version. Then we could get more focus on fixing some of the issues that professional colourists have been asking for over the last few versions, instead of the addition of lots of feature requests from noobs.

  • @Scot

    Thing we talk about is that GPU support for work with H.264 footage (Intel and Nvidia) was intentionally crippled in free version. It was not officially announced and actually no feature comparison available for v14 anymore as I know. But confronted by users they admitted it.

  • I must admit I'm confused by the discussion is anything different from the previous free version? It seems the crippled features are the same as before?
    Per there website "The free DaVinci Resolve 14 includes all of the same high quality processing as DaVinci Resolve 14 Studio and can handle unlimited resolution media files. However it does limit project mastering and output to Ultra HD resolutions or lower. DaVinci Resolve 14 only supports a single processing GPU on Windows and Linux and 2 GPUs on the latest Mac Pro.

    If you need features such as support for multiple GPUs, 4K output, motion blur effects, temporal and spatial noise reduction, HDR tools, Lens distortion correction, de-interlacing, Resolve FX Lens Flare, Lens Blur and Film Grain, 3D stereoscopic tools, remote rendering, an external database server and collaboration tools that let multiple users work on the same project at the same time, please upgrade to DaVinci Resolve 14 Studio."

  • This "inferior version" you mention is free. There should be no expectation in a free product, only gratitude that it is available for all to use.

    Again, no need to protect few wrongdoing guys. They do not need your protection and will just smile here.

    Interests of this people are opposite to yours. And even idea(!) to protect them is possible in ill society only.

    You also fully miss the thing I talk about, and I talk that in social modern development and production owners and managers have absolutely no moral (I mean here 95% of people moral) right to make any such decisions.

    If you don't like what is currently available, you can start a company and create a superior product and release it all for free, bearing all the costs out of your own wallet!

    Thing that you propose is to become insane capitalist (one acting against his own interests) and "make it all right". It is stupid. Especially proposing it to me.

  • It is crime against whole society(!) performed by owners and some management (few people, frequently it is one guy!) to offer inferior version.

    This "inferior version" you mention is free. There should be no expectation in a free product, only gratitude that it is available for all to use. If you don't like what is currently available, you can start a company and create a superior product and release it all for free, bearing all the costs out of your own wallet!

  • I dont know if there is a way for you to come out of this now without sounding like you just want it all for free, blaming it all on the evil capitalists.

    Actually I do not see any sane way for you to keep protecting BM actions. As thing you are doing are insane and illogical. Just due to mass media and tradition you do not understand full amount of insanity.

    Thing why you not understanding it comes from idealism and individualism that build a nest inside your brain.

    As soon as big amount of developers (not BM only) made superior decoder, made it work much faster. It is crime against whole society(!) performed by owners and some management (few people, frequently it is one guy!) to offer inferior version. Thing that you see here in full height is main capitalism issue, if you did not know about it before.

    Trick that mass media perform here is that it pictures it as you do not want to pay to some individual master that made shoes. It is wrong picture in two regards. In modern software development even individual developer rely and use work of tens of thousands of other developers. Any production is highly social. And company is selling you software product, not shoes. It has zero replication cost.

    Are good free products possible under capitalism? Of course. It can just pay for itself long time ago. Can be finance from other income. Can be promotion to get new users and tie them to infrastructure and tools.

    Will any software will be available for free and whole society will support developers doing useful products under socialism? Of course.

    So, any support for capitalist software companies presently is direct action against society interests and society progress.

  • @Vitaliy_Kiselev I dont know if there is a way for you to come out of this now without sounding like you just want it all for free, blaming it all on the evil capitalists. Every free version of DR was already crippled to an extent, and this h264 change is pretty inconsequential really, in the scheme of video production using a great free product. If they kept doing this while leaving the full version >=$1000, then it might be a problem.

  • @Psyco

    My position is simple. The closer free version is to full one - the better. Such basic thing must work identical in free and Studio version.

    I use BM cameras, and thats what Resolve is really good at, working with there cameras. If it doesn't work well with your iPhone videos... get other software, you don't have to use it.

    More than 90% of all corporate, wedding and other non amateur videos are H.264. And with widely adapting of higher bitrate and 422 and 444 options this percentage becomes only bigger and as it all moves to H,265 with 12-16bit native support it'll be even more.

    Compare that to... say Adobe: Adding useless features all the time, forcing users to upgrade with new save-formates, subscription only!, cheaper versions of the software is mostly kids stuff, not fixing basic bugs and problems,...

    With Adobe it is all simple. They always have full functioning free version available... on torrents.

    Thing that BM does not understand is that same can happen with Studio version.
    For years BM successfully negotiated with scene using mix of stimulus and threats. But this can change overnight.

    And Google is making its money with adds - do you want to have popup-adds in your NLE?

    Black Magic is also making money with free version as they push it in film schools and universities to get people who ask to buy full version after graduations.
    Same approach with free or 90% discounted versions is used by CAD/CAM companies and developer tools companies.

  • I still don't get it Vitaliy...

    Resolve Studio doesn't cost much. Its a "ok" price for what it does. Would it be nice to be even cheaper: yes! But BM is working quite hard on it at the moment expanding it and adding usefull features, so that programmers have to be paid - or do YOU want to work for free? (And the userbase of Resolve Studio is not that big - compared to Adobe and others.)

    Its not a subsciption at the moment (thats why I bought the studio version now, because that will change) and its good software I really need and like to use. I use BM cameras, and thats what Resolve is really good at, working with there cameras. If it doesn't work well with your iPhone videos... get other software, you don't have to use it.

    The free version is just to try the software - it a very good trial version. But compare that to other free software - you get pretty much everything for free, without watermark, without stupid maximum 5 min video lenght restriction,... and you can really test if it is worth for you investing some money into it.

    Compare that to... say Adobe: Adding useless features all the time, forcing users to upgrade with new save-formates, subscription only!, cheaper versions of the software is mostly kids stuff, not fixing basic bugs and problems,... THAT is the pure asshole capitalist model of fucking up users.

    And Google is making its money with adds - do you want to have popup-adds in your NLE?

  • @caveport

    Last time I checked everyone in capitalism want to get goods for as cheap as possible. And free is cheapest possible price. :-)

    Oh yes, of course, that is in fact the description of a slave-owner. Ho hum....

    Google must be real bunch of slaves, especially top management. Wait... No... Shit perverted logic sample.

  • @Vitaliy_Kiselev I am also amazed by people who expect to get someone else's work for free. Oh yes, of course, that is in fact the description of a slave-owner. Ho hum....

  • @joethepro @caveport

    I am always amazed how even such though can come to someone head.
    It is like slave asking his owner to add 20 lashes because yesterday he saw his beautiful daughter.
    Instead you need to find good rope and hang him. And what to do with daughter you know without me.

    Idea to protect such actions is insane. It is not big amount of developers and suppliers of libraries and third party tools who decide to cripple software. It is just one or two owners who make small calc in their minds and figure out that by inducing public damage they personally can gain more money.

  • @Psyco

    Thing that I told you is that noise reduction is not last in node order, thing I tell is that for everyday edits it is added always last, same as stabilization. Or you need to do intermediate render.

  • Yeah, those leeches at Blackmagic. Ripping us off by dropping the price from $1200 to $299 while adding cool features. How dare they not give us everything for free! Bloody capitalist pigs! I REALLY need those features for my cat videos. ;-)

  • Noise reduction is always the FIRST thing after decoding (or debayering) - it has to be before all other effects, if you want any kind of quality.

  • Its a stellar product to offer for free. Sure, Id love for it to not be crippled, but the paid version is not all that expensive for what you get, so Im not going to complain about it. They need to keep profit margins up. If I want to use H264 material, Ill just spend the prep time to convert it to prores and not worry about it. You're thinking way too much about this @Vitaliy_Kiselev.

  • But if you add debayer+noise reduction+colour correction+several layers of video and audio+effects+tracking/stabilizing+... there is no way arround intermediate rendering, even on top hardware (with Resolve free you are limited to one GPU anyway). And if you don't do all those things, there is no point in using such a beast of software like Resolve.

    Again, it is basic NLE now.

    Next. H.264 decoding in all good software including Resolve is made by special GPU block now (since 14 beta 4 Resolve also support decoding by NVidia GPUs, see appropriate topics here on PV). So it does not make ANY difference compared to more light formats.
    H.264 does not need any debayering, noise reduction is used also rare (and where it is used it is last step before rendering), same is for stabilization.

    Thing that we talk about here is that for Free version they have condition check and specially degrade performance by moving decoding to CPU to make work much harder.

  • @Vitaliy

    If you do a raw cut of your material, no transcodeing should be needed - thats right (but programmers are way to lazy these days...or underpaid...both).

    But if you add debayer+noise reduction+colour correction+several layers of video and audio+effects+tracking/stabilizing+... there is no way arround intermediate rendering, even on top hardware (with Resolve free you are limited to one GPU anyway). And if you don't do all those things, there is no point in using such a beast of software like Resolve.

  • @Psyco

    It make perfect sense. Resolve is no longer " high end grading tool for professional productions" if you did not noticed. It is affordable $299 NLE with focus on normal end users. And, surprise, now H.264 is mainstream format used by around 90% of Resolve users.

    If you need to work with H.264 material, just transcode it (I think its called "optimised media" in Resolve, which you would need anyway as soon as you start adding effects).

    It is utter stupidity. Today you DON'T need to transcode. And no, it is very bad myth that "you would need anyway as soon as you start adding effects".

  • @Vitaliy That really doesn't make sense. Resolve is a high end grading tool for professional productions - H.264 is a side effect for hobby video or very special cases. Its only a nice-to-have feature, far far away from basic.

    If you need to work with H.264 material, just transcode it (I think its called "optimised media" in Resolve, which you would need anyway as soon as you start adding effects).

  • @joethepro

    I cant blame them, really. Its amazing to me that it has lasted as free software with such complete features as long as it has.

    And you must blame them. As it is absolute basic thing, you actually can't make worst thing that make maximum impact on editing experience.

  • @Vitalit_Kiselev I cant blame them, really. Its amazing to me that it has lasted as free software with such complete features as long as it has. And now with the full version at only $300 its a pretty good situation.