@eatstoomuchjam @brianl @tubefingers

I was happier with the sound of LP records than 8 track cassettes, but Audio Professionals never used either as a Mastering Medium.

Let Grandpa pull up a chair and tell you a story about two feuding Japanese corporations from about 2 decades ago...

2 necessary components of ALL video/film is a minimum framerate and resolution, from there you build upon.

Well, Japanese company A released a 1080i videocamera as their replacement solution for NTSC Broadcast, while Japanese company B released a 720p camera as their proposed solution ...

Can you name Company A and B, and which picture looked better to my and most of the other attendees at that NAB on 32-40" tube TV?

The moral of the story was that as time marches on every decade or so in the video industry, there are professionals who stay stuck on what they've done before instead of being flexible and open to what they could do better, and the latter is the professional attitude for long-term success in any industry.

@briani - agreed, we don't need to chase resolution, much more important for me to have good colour science and DR, and strong codec, a nice 10-12 bits, 422 1080p with approx 15 stops and I am happy :)

I don't think anybody would be all that excited if they announced the camera today with the specs you just quoted at the launch price of the Red One (more than $30k for a full kit if I remember right) or the stability of it (crashed a lot)... and a Red One kit still sells used on ebay for around $5k. Of course, these days, you could get an Ursa Mini 4.6k brand new for about $5k. Probably a better investment overall.

But sure, if someone announced a very similar camera for under $3k at NAB, we would all be very excited. I don't think that's an indicator that the market is stale, though.

Im waiting the 32K, 1080 and 4K is for losers, 8K isnt enough. My eyes cant appreciate The Godfather to 1080.

PS: Seriously How far will marketing take us?:

I have no concern over technical specs or data rates, but look at this as a vision/medical problem to solve- watching displays in 2017 should NOT cause eye issues ever.

There may be a point of diminishing returns after 8K 120fps in the near-term, but 4K 60p on "smallish" screens is not sufficient resolution or refresh rate to not cause eye issues at hands length distance.

I have experienced accelerated vision issues due to our profession, not only symptoms of aging, and attempt to do whatever to preserve my vision via any means available. As much as technology has progressed, fixes for vision loss has not progressed with Moore's law by any means- your ability to lose vision outweighs our ability to compensate/correct.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/screen-time-digital-eye-strain/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2394611/Have-got-screen-sightedness-Smartphones-causing-sight-problems-soar-warns-eye-surgeon.html

Myopia has also increased for children at alarming rates, and we have taken measures to ensure our kids have minimal use of electronic devices, so much so we sold our ipads years ago to help preserve our kids vision.

after all, it's only your eyeballs...

Agreed with @Tron. 12-bit wide gamut color is the disruptive technology on the foreseeable horizon. 4K delivery is ideal for the majority of media consumption platforms. 8K delivery may be useful for VR and large screen cinemas, but I don't think it will have the same mass-market disruptive effect that 4K had on a 1080p world, or for that matter that 1080p had on a SD world.

Even now, many industry professionals say 1080p is good enough as an acquisition format. I don't agree, but I do think we're reaching a point of diminishing returns / increasing trade-offs, much as we did with the still camera megapixel wars.

For me, a full frame 4K sensor camera with one-to-one pixel read-out is perfect. I might consider an 8K camera in a few years for downsampling / reframing options, but I don't expect to go beyond 4K delivery unless I'm shooting VR.

Unless you're sitting very close to a 30" 8k display, the human eye won't perceive any difference vs 4k. If I remember right, somewhere around 3 feet is the minimum to be able to discern the difference on a 30" 4k screen. If you like to sit with your eyes around 8" from the screen, though, 8k sounds great.

Hello good DrDave

I am a long-time advocate for oversampling (originally from engineering/audio, then later in video) for creative/professional applications

4K is a "dead" future-looking format going forward for all but portables/cell phones or laptop screens or streaming devices, where convenience/compression is more important than eye strain...

At both extremes believe it or not, 4K 60p is not fine or fast enough for large projection screen or tiny screen displays of the future (AR/VR HMD)...

Why shouldn't a screen be visually indistinguishable from print or looking out a window at hand-held interaction distance?

My favorite design tool has always been a full-size Drafting table, D sized blank sheet and mechanical pencil... I can work all day effortlessly hands-on with no eye strain... why should a future display / PC offer any less?

Dell's Canvas and 8K Display in combination is the proper direction for creatives, with touch-enabled interface /hands-on interaction, and the Microsoft Surface Studio was a first tiny step in the right direction for the future of PC's which Dell seemed to correct

Today, Dell officially shamed all the display manufacturer's who used big salaries and "AI" to generate... curved screens... no wrong year, curved back to flat screens with no 3D... wait, a "smart" TV you can shout at for google info that meanwhile spy's on you... wait, incrementally Brighter screens and Wallpaper displays with enormous sound bars???

Dell had the guts to finally put a real shipping 8K product that is future-looking in our immediate sights and budgets, while all the major display manufacturers were content to wait for 2018-2020 to start producing 8K displays in decent quantity

The monitor will ship on March 23 for US $4,999, Dell announced Thursday. It’ll be available in about 12 countries, in limited quantities.

The 8K monitor has a resolution of 7680 x 4320 pixels, which is about four times that of 4K. It will feature 33.2 million pixels and more than 1 billion colors. It has a video refresh rate of 60Hz and a viewing angle of 178 degrees.

OK, so you can order a new 8K Dell monitor before you touch your OBSOLETE pre-order Panasonic GH5 with BETA non-10bit firmware...

Specs are not the best, as always with 1st gen anything, but within a year Dell came out with an improved 4K display that blew away the original... also, expect Apple to follow suit with an 8K IGZO Imac by this time next year

yes, 4K is dead and we must hold our Camera and Video gear manufacturers to a higher standard... DEMAND better gear, and maybe they'll listen

If you think this is a gimmick, lookee here

http://venturebeat.com/2017/01/05/ambarella-unveils-4k-and-8k-imaging-chips-for-cars-drones-vr-and-sports-cameras/

Yes, drones are getting 8K sooner than you think, and if you listened carefully to Panasonic's previous GH5 original announcement, the GH5 was simply a profit-making stepping stone to their 8K cameras coming thereafter

I welcome our 8K overlords, while waiting for the 120fps version with OLED HDR