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Leica SL Full Frame Mirrorless camera with Panasonic Tech!
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    Specs

    • 24Mp FF sensor
    • SXAG 4.4MP resolution EVF
    • 2.95" touch-sensitive LCD with 1.04M pixels
    • 4096 x 2160 24 fps, 4:2:0 internal or 4:2:2 over HDMI

    Samples

    This looks like an interesting beast of a camera!

    Full frame, 24mp, 4K up to 30fps, 1080 up op to 120fps, v-log, super 35 crop mode, aaaaaand an $8000 price tag USD.

    Hopefully this trickles down the line to Panasonic in a couple of years!

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  • Leica Camera today announced a new firmware update 1.2 for the Leica SL, which includes several fundamental improvements in the camera’s picture quality and handling. To access the firmware update, registered camera users can log into the Leica owner’s area of the Leica website and download the firmware version at: https://owners.leica-camera.com. Leica users can also take their camera to a Leica store and take advantage of the free update installation service.

    The new firmware update 1.2 includes optimization of picture quality at ISO values from 50 to 400, improvements to the image in the electronic viewfinder and greater flexibility when entering WLAN passwords.

    When shooting with Leica M and R lenses, camera users will find that the new firmware update 1.2 activates a loupe (magnifying) function with the auto exposure lock button (AE Lock) to allow fast manual focusing. Additionally, the firmware update guarantees the correct indication of the R-Adapter-M and the R-Lens used in the EXIF data of image files.

    Finally, the firmware update offers an improvement in the Leica Log Gamma curve (L-Log) for video, enabling its use for in-camera 8-bit recording. The reduction of the offset will now allow recordings to appear considerably darker. Subsequently, videos recorded with L-Log must be corrected with a gamma correction in an external video editing program. The use of L-Log enables greater leeway for post-production color grading of videos recorded on the Leica SL.

  • Here is something shot recently by a friend with not much experience with the SL in Vlog.

  • Nothing too different to the GH4 h264 codec on the new Leica SL, however, V Log L on first impressions looking at Voldemort Hideout's files seem screwed up even with the VLog to Rec709 LUT applied. Crazy curves and weirdness going on as you can see. Bit worried about Reid's setup/ whilst filming in the Leica shop - it can't be doing this... more info soon.

    ppc sl601.png
    1265 x 2093 - 140K
    sl 601 pps.png
    2466 x 1985 - 89K
    sl-601-stream.jpg
    3829 x 2153 - 1M
    v-log-L-on-leica-sl-.jpg
    3840 x 2160 - 997K
  • Nowadays V-log seems to get pricely sketchy...

  • Hi guys did anyone miss the statement that in 4k the SL only uses the super 35mm part of the sensor. It is not 4K FF allegedly

  • When you see human hands holding it, you'll laugh out loud

  • I watched the promo vids.

    Do I need this camera? .. No

    Do I want this camera? .. Yes

    Can I afford this camera. ... fuck no

  • To bring out a Panasonic FF stills camera would be 1,000,000 times more foolish of Panasonic than not bringing out the AF100 successor. As they can't be seen to abandon the m4/3 range (Sony was wise to have a mount which can be used both on their crop sensor cameras and on their full frame cameras).

    I wonder, does the Varicam have anything under its PL mount? Like Sony does with their FZ mount.

    Unfortunately I strongly suspect the Varicam doesn't have this feature (instead it is just swapping between the PL and B4 heads, for S35 vs HS feature), which is a pity as least then a logical mount would exist for a future Panasonic camera to take up and use (as Sony would never let Panasonic use their FZ mount, which is my 1st preference. Though I dunno if FF would work with FZ mount?!?! It is a rather large opening however, suspect it might!).

    A Panasonic FF-GH5 with some kind of "Varicam-FZ" mount would be super awesome. Ah well.... invent a new mount??? A mount which they'll then bring out almost no lenses for. Just like Sony did with their FZ mount! LOL

    But yeah... that could kinda make sense in a weird twisted way.

    Thus don't bother about using a mount that they'll make lenses for (as they should keep the focus on m4/3, which they've built up large resource of lenses in).

    Treat this mount in a new camera like Sony treats their FZ mount! Then go and target a price point somewhere in the C100 to F5 price range. (I'd prefer the C100 end of that range.... but anywhere there would be at least something, better than their current NOTHING being offered)

    However if they were to go down that path, maybe perhaps I'd rather they just stuck with m4/3 and S35 sensors?! (like the JVC LS300) Depends on where they position this so called "FF-GH4", if it is priced more like a C100 (thus keep with S35 and m4/3) or going after the F5 (then heck, go FF and a new "Panny-FZ" mount!).

  • @Azo ...

    "Wish I could come out with a product with an insane profit margin and have that type of clientele. I probably wouldn't be on this forum if that was the case ;-) LOL"

    You said a ton there! I've been a pro portrait photog since '77, and yea ... Leica always appealed to more of a pro-sumer snob type, or a few simple techno-types that just HAD to own & use one. Most working pros used Nikons for 35mm and for medium format, it depended on the trade one did. Commercial shooters nearly all went for the Hasselblad, and the majority of portrait shooters in the US went to the Mamiya RB67 with the larger neg & revolving back, though a fair number went Hassy or a few others.

    We were RB people ... took the larger neg & quite a bit cheaper prices (buying used ... tough gear). At a wedding we did back then, had an uncle show up with like five aluminum Halliburton cases of Hassy gear ... dude was a neurosurgeon in Minneapolis, and had more invested in the five cases than we had for two photogs & full studio lighting setup for all our gear. Rich hobbyist, of course. Have no clue if he actually knew how to use that stuff.

    We couldn't justify the price, no way. And looking at this ... was wonderful down to ... $8G's. Um ... no.

    Neil

  • Huge, ugly, waaay overpriced. Unimpressive.

    The only interesting thing is how it will affect future Panny cameras...

  • @AKED Yes, realistically speaking I agree. However the tide is changing and the fact of the matter is that there are people who jumped ship to Sony/Panasonic etc because Canon dragged their feet. I know that Panasonic would have to make a bunch of full frame lenses but again they already have the infrastructure set up and and technology to produce excellent lenses. So to me it seems plausible given the current development.

    Back to Leica.. Back in 89 when I worked in a camera store we sold maybe 5-10 Leica cameras in 1 whole year. And the people that came in to buy the cameras went straight to it and said I want to buy the Leica. They were not interested in anything else even though the Nikon F4 at the time IMO was a vastly better camera. This is definitely a niche market but surprisingly there is enough of this niche market to keep them in business so they are doing something right.

    Wish I could come out with a product with an insane profit margin and have that type of clientele. I probably wouldn't be on this forum if that was the case ;-) LOL

    Most of the professional photographers that I knew had Nikon bodies along with other medium format cameras. Only one of the photographers had a Leica and he was kinda of a rich snob to be honest. So yeah definitely niche market.

  • For the price of one Leica SL + 24-90 you can get 4 GH4 with the 12-35. In my opinion it can't be that much better.

    Leica is made for people who can buy 100 GH4s with ease, just do not need them.

  • @Azo I do not thinks so for all the lenses are not siutable for fullframe and the weight advantage of the lenses would be gone too. But back to Leica: For the price of one Leica SL + 24-90 you can get 4 GH4 with the 12-35.
    In my opinion it can't be that much better.