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Zoom F8 - 8 track audio recorder
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  • Don't quite understand, why do you think @DrDave that the DR-680 would give better sound with lower noise?

  • This is a very useful box, and signals, I think, the end of the overpriced solid state eight track era. Now, or in the near future, there will be no real difference between boxes like this and the so called audiophile gear. So good news all around. I would hasten to add that the big flaw is the lack of digital I/O.

    NB: For this reason, the Tascam 680 is not only cheaper, but will give you either as good or better sound with a decent digital front end, with lower noise as well.

    However, the "one box mutitrack" era is here to stay with lots of choices.

  • Well, I won't be getting the Zoom F8 myself as I've got my eye on a Sound Devices 552 instead. But thought others here might find the review interesting :) Looks nice!

    And yeah, that music vs film divide is why you have things like the H4n which is aimed at musicians and has horrible pre-amps because it was not intended for quiet dialog but noisy music instead (but filmmakers bought up the H4n anyway by the boatload, as back then they didn't have many other options going cheap).

  • @IronFilm

    Just remember that sound/music guys have different approach to such devices. Usually they look to ones that handle loud and proper level inputs perfectly and with max features.

    For film and such you need best preamps with big range to pull up low level sound and best analog(!) limiters.

  • Sound On Sound just put up their review of the Zoom F8: "Once in a while, a high-quality, affordable product comes along that makes the professional competition look overpriced..." http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec15/articles/zoom-f8.htm

    Overall, then, I am deeply impressed with the F8. It offers excellent capability and versatility in a very compact package, with a design that is generally well thought out. The F8 unquestionably offers remarkable value for money, and nothing else with a comparable number of inputs and recording tracks, let alone the rest of its comprehensive facilities, comes anywhere close. .

    Alternatives:
    At around 8.5 times the price, the Nagra VI arguably sets the benchmark for eight-channel recorders (although it only has six analogue inputs), while the Sound Devices’ SD-788T (a shade under seven times the F8’s price) is a very popular alternative in the professional film and TV market. The Tascam HS-P82 (just under 4.5 times the F8’s price) forms a very attractive lower-cost option, but the closest direct competitor for the Zoom F8 is the Roland R88 — and even that costs almost exactly twice as much!>>

  • @Chaos123x , I can assure the DR-70D pre amps are much better than the H4N :) I used a DR-70D this week as a sound guy on a feature film

  • Zoom will be much more handy, this is for certain. But can be overkill.

    If it is not hurry - good advice to wait for factory refurbished or sales in December.

  • Hmmm do you think this would be better than a used SD 302 with a Tascam DR-680 recorder?

    I'm looking to get a better audio setup to record sound effects for radio dramas and build my own library, might also use it for it some corporate video and reality show sizzle reels. I will also be getting a rode ntg-3 and blimp.

    All I have now is a H4N and a Videomic Pro.

    Or is all this over kill? The DR-70D looks to fit my needs just worry the preamps will make it sound like crap and I already have H4N for that....

  • My initial thoughts on the build quality is that it’s excellent! When I first held the F8, I was surprised at how much it weighs: more than all the other units. In fact, it’s comparable to the Tascam + Marantz (both filled with batteries).

    To my ears it’s essentially the F8 followed by the Marantz + Mix Pre D, then finally the Tascam DR-70D

    Sample - https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2jtjgvmq0k4hkzt/AABwE35DNSArSq8W91u4i0XHa?dl=0

    http://www.lightformfilm.com/blog/zoom-f8-impressions/

  • Good review

    Input limiters and high pass filters are after the analog to digital conversion stage, and much after the microphone pre-amplification stage, rendering them pretty much useless for analog inputs. Any overloading signal and/or low frequency energy will be amplified at the mic pre stage, before it is converted to digital and processed through either the limiter or the HPF.

    Tracks 1 through 8 are the ISO tracks, and tracks 9 and 10 are the stereo mix. For anyone who’s ever dealt with or knows about double-system sound, dailies syncing and editing, you know the huge issue this can be in post. Editors expect for the first one or two tracks to be the mix track(s). This is what they use for dailies and for editing, and sometimes even for syncing when using tools such as Plural Eyes. If the first tracks are ISOs instead of mix tracks, can you imagine the phone calls you’ll be receiving in the middle of the night asking what happened to the mix tracks? This is only made worse by the fact that the tracks are unlabeled, since there is no ability to name tracks. HUGE issue in my opinion.

    During the recording at Gotham, as I monitored both the Zoom F8 and the Sound Devices 744T, I was under the impression that the 744T had a lot more transparency and that the F8 had a lot of coloration. It wasn’t bad, but it definitely made me doubt how good the F8 pre amps could be. I didn’t want to make any final judgments then, though. I wanted to get back home, and playback the files to make sure of what I was listening to.

    And hold and behold, after playing back the files on my computer, I realized that it was not the recordings, but rather the headphone amp on the F8 that was coloring the sound. I have to be honest and say that I am completely blown away by how incredibly good the Zoom F8 mic pre’s sound. I can hear very little difference against the Sound Devices 744T, playing back from my laptop’s DAC using ATH-M50X to monitor. There’s no audible self-noise, unlike its siblings. There seems to be a good amount of dynamic range too.

    http://mixeli.us/technology/zoom-f8/

  • I don't think it would be limiting in production. The recorder still records isolated channels. Usually the output is sent to a camera and it's fairly common to be sent mixed. (Though often one or more channels are panned full Left and others are panned full Right to effectively create iso channels within a mixed stereo output.)

  • How limiting this would be (namely, the lack of individual iso-channels) in a "normal" production?

    If you have something that can accept all this channels it can affect :-)

  • audiovideopro.net claims the following: "However, unlike some more expensive recorders or standalone audio interfaces, the Zoom provides only mixed analogue outputs, rather than iso-channels for each audio input. It can, though, pass four audio to a computer or iPad over USB, or to other devices by combining the two sets of output sockets."

    How limiting this would be (namely, the lack of individual iso-channels) in a "normal" production?

  • Looks like SD :)

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    Presented officially

    • Phantom power (+24V/+48V) can be turned on and off for each preamp individually.
    • Plug in any Zoom mic capsule.
    • 10 tracks—8 input channels, plus a stereo mix track*—allow you to simultaneously record stereo and surround sound.
    • An onboard mixer with flexible routing of all inputs and outputs (pre- and post-fader). Each channel has controls for pan, input/output delay, filtering, and limiting.
    • The F8 can be mounted to a tripod and attached to your camera using the included mounting bracket.
    • $999

    https://zoom-na.com/products/field-video-recording/field-recording/zoom-f8-multitrack-field-recorder

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  • There was a tweet about it implying a working model, but not what I would call a release date

    https://twitter.com/zoomsound

  • Any more news about this? Zoom had said they'd release more info "this summer" including pricing.

  • Aside from the battery, which should really be a monster battery like Sony, it looks good. We will have to see what it sounds like :). Neutrik connectors is a good sign that they did not try to save a few pennies on the parts. I don't see easy to reach P48 controls, which is something I like about the Tascam DR 680.

    If you look at the front panel, there is what looks like an "over" light above the PFL switch. On the left screen you can see there is some numerical info for the battery. Each channel has a "lim" which must be a limiter, and there is a flash type icon which must be for P48. Each SD card has its own display. The power button looks really cheesy and you can see it is flickering in the video.

    In the middle is a switch for line level, a menu dial and headphone control. Not good the have the HP control near the menu dial for obvious reasons.