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How Today's Online Social Revolution Is Dividing, Diminishing, and Disorienting Us
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  • We're not on the verge of a new dark age. We're in a new dark age. The internet, social media and the smart phone have done very little positive compared to what they've taken away. The concept of lightning fast communication and news can be a good thing in some situations That's about it.

    Anyone born after 1980 who hasn't studied what's happened should probably listen and learn, because you have no first hand experience of the absolute hugeness of what's been taken away. So much has been taken, so much, the void filled by pathetic youtube videos and facebook. The positive broadness of distribution has made the depth of quality an inch deep. Quality, particularly artistic quality, will come forward, eventually. But human lives are so short the chances of that happening for any true artist during his lifetime are miniscule.

    Our lives are filled with meaningless noise and the arrogance of beeping smart phones. We've become slaves to communication technologies that don't improve the quality of our lives.

  • I almost totally disagree with what Adrew Keen says. Selling copies of artwork has been a business model for only a short glimpse in human history. Before book printing was invented, millenia went by where art had to be performed one-piece-at-a-time, with no possibility of distributing copies. And now creating copies of artworks has become so simple and cheap that there's not really a demand anymore for specialized companies to choose a tiny subset of stuff considered "art" by its makers and to invest into producing copies of just that. Everyone can publish anything and try to attact attention on the InterNet, just like anyone can go to the city center and try to convince people passing by that his music performance is worth listening or paying for, just for a much larger potential audience.

    It's certainly true that the vast majority of stuff published today is quality-wise total crap, and if you pick some random youtube video you'll see that chances are it got watched by the author himself and hardly anyone else. That's not a problem, storage is cheap. A 250€ 8TB HDD can store tons of 30-second clips with farting dogs or cute cats, there's no harm in storing them and making them available for download like forever. Andrew Keen suggests that this does harm because a "modern Hitchcock or Scorcese" would not be found amongst the flood of garbage. That's nonsense: You can be sure that at the same time Hitchcock or Scorsese got the chance to direct movies that became famous, a thousand equally talented people did not have that luck to be given such a chance. Sure, a million additional director-wannabes might have been rightfully ignored by the companies who gave Hitchcock or Scorsese a chance, but I'd rather like to live in a world where everyone has a chance to obtain attention to his talent by publishing unpaid work than in a world where purely out of luck or by heritage a tiny few can be published.

    And yes, the democratization of the "economics of attention" begins to dawn on us how little quality is required to attract a gazillion clicks. I recently clicked through a "top-10" clip collection that was assembled for the 10-year youtube anniversary. Sure enough, I didn't find any of those 10 worth watching to their end. Is this a problem? Not really, it just demonstrates that what I consider worth watching is not what average Joe likes best. Do I want to live in a sort of totalitarian society where a few people decide what's worth watching, or what is "art"? Hell no!

    Andrew Keen says it's a problem beyond art - that we don't trust doctors, politicians and other professions to "know better than us" what is to be done. I think that is great rather than a problem! I want documented evidence and reasoning to convince me of some medical procedure or political decision to be favorable rather than some illusion of eminent authority in "people knowing better than me".

    Tomorrow I'm going to help a group of Jazz musicians to produce a video clip for publication on the InterNet. It certainly won't become an outstanding piece of art, it will hopefully become better than the average school band demo (or farting dog clip, of course). Neither me nor the musicians will be making money from the production or publishing of the clip. We'll rather do it for the fun of it. Maybe they can use it to convince somebody to stage yet another gig. Sure enough, none of us should expect to make a living out of this - boring daytime jobs are much better to make a living from. Millions assume they are undiscovered artists who deserve to be high-earning stars - chances are, none of us really are.

    @chauncy: If you want to get away from enslaving communication technology, it might be your lucky day: The government of Pitcairn Island is giving away land for free to people willing to settle there, a beautiful place with no mobile network.

  • I almost totally disagree with what Adrew Keen says. Selling copies of artwork has been a business model for only a short glimpse in human history.

    I think you totally miss his point. His point being that it was always some intermediate people who played filters role, preventing distribution of total crap. I think he has good point here.

  • @karl....hey thanks for that pitcairn tip ! Looks like they could use some new genetic material, and they're not a bit too choosy either !

  • Andrew Keen suggests that this does harm because a "modern Hitchcock or Scorcese" would not be found amongst the flood of garbage. That's nonsense: You can be sure that at the same time Hitchcock or Scorsese got the chance to direct movies that became famous, a thousand equally talented people did not have that luck to be given such a chance.

    In fact, it does big harm . As if you spend time watching cats and other shit you do not have time to watch anything good. And internet corporations do not care - they sell you advertisement anyway. This is how it works.

    Your misunderstanding is that you replace chance with real statistics. Real statistics show that it is fewer people who earn enough to feed family, and more people doing things literally for free (actually, just bringing income to corporations). As I said, corporations do not care until it brings them income.

  • I didn't get one minute into this interview to realize this guy is full of shit ! He's nothing but an advocate for the thought police autocraticrons who want to control all avenues of expression and thought. If he thinks the "old world" newz systems were truthfully informative then he hasn't understood the historical significance of the liberation of truth from the controlled media through the free availability of internet investigative journalism. This guy is like many who create an "informative phrase"...i.e. the cult of the amateur , and then bend reality to support his one-trick pony idea. And as he openly states...he believes in that same corporatocracy that has been controlling society since the mid-19th century. It started with Hearst and the other robber-barons using their purchased platforms to control how we think, refined by edward bernays and executed to perfection by the cia and it's equivalents in all major world powers and their official newz outlets. He's nothing more than a orwellian apologist. And if anyone reads what most bigtime directors did as kids was shoot film with super 8 cameras. Look at the biggest film this year ...boyhood. Read how linklater got his start....making super 8 movies. Sadly it will be opinions like his that will result in the control by governments of the only free space on planet earth...besides pitcairn island of course !

    ps...I've never watched one "cat" or dog video .

    and @Vitaley...concerning the idea of the "filter" ...or better , as in the art world , the dealer, this is a common and still appropriate and functioning system. I think it was clement greenberg who said that the art world is a tripartite system made out of the artist, the critic , and the collector. Film is exactly the same. You have to have critical reviews, and viewers. Both together.

  • The position of curators will be more and more prevalent in the new model, but remember that anyone can attempt the role of curator and anyone else can choose which curators they subscribe to and support, which is a major shift towards democratizing the role. Talking about whether or not they will get noticed above the noise is an irrelevant blanket argument. Being good at getting noticed online relies on a series of factors that one would have to understand and employ to have a chance at success.

    Becoming a rocket scientist is incredibly hard and likely impossible for many people to accomplish, so should we say nobody should try? Of course not. A defeatist will always fail before they even start. Being a bit stubborn is one of the least talked about desirable qualities for entrepreneurs. Stubbornness is often a symptom of great passion.

    Being a good curator is by no means as difficult as being a rocket scientist. A good curator will have to be passionate, committed and have the ability to identify, understand and target a market and demographic.

    People that are good at it will find ways of getting subscribers and connecting to their target demographic, people who aren't good at this will fail. It becomes more like a specialty, as it should be, and less like an inherited privilege, as it has been.

    If being a curator for a particular type of online content interests you, you can try it out, maybe you will succeed, maybe you will fail, but the point is: you can try it and your success lies largely in your ability.

  • I didn't get one minute into this interview to realize this guy is full of shit ! He's nothing but an advocate for the thought police autocraticrons who want to control all avenues of expression and thought. If he thinks the "old world" newz systems were truthfully informative then he hasn't understood the historical significance of the liberation of truth from the controlled media through the free availability of internet investigative journalism.

    Well, reading this you understand how right he is. Instead of making loud noises get his books and read.

    Words about liberation is so wrong, as real regional journalism is being destroyed all around the world, mostly replaced by shitty bloggers who love local authorities much more and lick their ass 24 hours 7 days a week.

  • .... in the usa we wouldn't have an inkling of the truth w/o alternative newz sites challenging the mainstream press. I suspect Russia's even worse. For example RT. RT does an excellent job of getting alternative stories out in the open when they're about europe or the usa, but concerning russian newz ? Maybe you need to listen harder to what the guy is proposing....or maybe in russia they have a different tradition concerning authority. We don't need anyone telling us how it's supposed to be, even if discerning the truth becomes more difficult because of the volume of trash. Interestingly, I think the site traffic numbers, comments, and the like button do wonders for getting rid of the amateurs.

    Returning to the "art" analogy, it's like the concept and application of the "vanity" gallery. I live in a town that has alot of wannabee artist, that coincidentally have more money than brains...and talent. They hang out their shingle for their "vanity" gallery. My wife and I play a game of how long they'll last....3 months...6 months etc. They never survive ! It's the same on the internet. The alternative newz sites that have survived have proved their worth. Bloggers are a different story. I don't waste my time...just like with cat videos !

  • .... in the usa we wouldn't have an inkling of the truth w/o alternative newz sites challenging the mainstream press.

    Fun thing that if you spend any time and open his books you will see data (also present on PV) about history of that happened with news and how it become few leading corporations. Exactly in sync with fairy tales about bloggers and independent views. Yes, you can find it, but more than 90% of people consume main news and sites, and this number become more and more.

    The alternative newz sites that have survived have proved their worth.

    Most alternative new sites are quite dirty also being sponsored by various guys. Many are sponsored by gold sellers and survival kits/spam sellers, for example.

    Point of this guy is not that all progress is bad, it is that fairy tales that we hear do not match with reality. And in reality you have sites/press firing photo/video staff, mass reduction of musicians who can survive doing their professional things.

  • Yep, when anyone could buy a car, no one needed stagecoach drivers. But that problem is entirely different than dignifying media organizations as certified truthtellers, with everyone else designated as amateurs, who should be burned at the stake, or at least, banned from participation, like galileo. That's where it all started right ? The ptb have always retained the authority to say what is valid truth and who's just spouting trash....until the internet. How long will freedom prevail...with so many attempting to destroy her ?

  • The ptb have always retained the authority to say what is valid truth and who's just spouting trash....until the internet. How long will freedom prevail...with so many attempting to destroy her ?

    I think you went into third circle. As I said, his point is completely different.

    I really like fairy tale about independent individual bloggers who in his free time is making independent investigations, check and get documents, make photos for all this and such. Reality shows that around 99% of such things are sponsored dirty things, just due to simple fact that people want to eat and need money.

    Same thing happens in video, music and other areas. Fairy tales are good for talks. Life is hard and smaller and smaller pie part go to people and larger and larger pie go to few leaders (you can find proof with charts in this blog).

  • Regarding news and spread of information, the internet has clearly increased the ability to find the truth regarding politics, big business, "corruption"/influence, money, and power. It's true that ~90% of people still get news from mainstream media and that mainstream media is consolidating. But the ~10% are now becoming more informed. Whether that will that lead to an increase in freedom and/or any significant change in politics and economics and power/poverty issues is still unknown.

    Regarding non-political information, such as camera bitrate and lenses and other areas of interest, the internet has obviously increased the spread of information.

    Regarding the quality of art/movies etc., the issue of problem of quality getting lost in the sea of content is perhaps real. It also happens to be that in last 2 decades, the quality of movies has gone down. So together, perhaps we see a culture that is less artistically dynamic.

    (RT journalists, for example Abby Martin, do a good job of pointing out money/power/corruption issues worldwide. She has also on occasion criticized Russian action she felt was wrong.)

    (Regarding blogger funding, there are some bloggers who let that influence them, and there are those who don't.)

  • Whether that will that lead to an increase in freedom and/or any significant change in politics and economics and power/poverty issues is still unknown.

    If you open charts you will see that for now it leads to better and better life for elites and worse life for everyone else. Facts tell this.

    Regarding non-political information, such as camera bitrate and lenses and other areas of interest, the internet has obviously increased the spread of information.

    Imagine how much better it could be if everyone had special small fund each month (it'll vanish at the month end) from where you could buy information only and only from small/self publishers, authors.

    Regarding blogger funding, there are some bloggers who let that influence them, and there are those who don't

    Well, few bloggers can survive without direct financing and selling space. Only top ones. Proves the point.

  • @Vitaliy_Kiselev I fully understand reality of elites having money and power. But I'm curious, which charts are you referring to (I'd definitely like to look at those)? Are you saying that the internet has helped to increase the power/money of the elite? How has the internet made life worse for the masses?

    (What I meant to say regarding bloggers, is that yes many have advertisers/sponsors, but among the bloggers that do, some of these bloggers still express their opinions 100%, and some of them change their content to be in line with their sponsors wishes/products etc.)

  • You know I was one of those bloggers...for 13 months...in 2009...while I was researching 911. It was an interesting experiment. I got 130,000 visitors, and besides making some very dangerous enemies who threatened myself and family, and tried to sue me in New york, I learned how to understand exactly what I heard and read....

    he says...." the old media world which was controlled from above, the industrial media ecosystem was very good about informing citizens about what was happening in the world. The democratized media of the internet doesn't do that. It creates chaos. "

    There's no going off "into third circle" there V. He's saying , in the first minute exactly what is his premise. He believes that the controlled media system was superior and truthfully informative, while I believe that the "industrial media ecosystem" was the problem, not the solution. That's his premise, stated plainly for anyone to hear. The "cultoftheamateur" topic , besides being a hypocrite and pushing his book on youtube, is really a side issue used to push his agenda ...which is, we need to be controlled by some official system. A premise is always stated in the first paragraph.

  • But I'm curious, which charts are you referring to (I'd definitely like to look at those)?

    Browse back, you will find many charts how income changed in last years for top ones and the rest.

    but among the bloggers that do, some of these bloggers still express their opinions 100%

    Such thing does not exist, they can say loud words, but always adjust that they write.

    He believes that the controlled media system was superior and truthfully informative, while I believe that the "industrial media ecosystem" was the problem, not the solution. That's his premise, stated plainly for anyone to hear.

    He said very compressed version that you understood wrong.

    He is talking about professionals doing their work. Yes, it also involves editors, tasks and doing many daily repetitive things. Exactly normal media is being destroyed by cheap copy past news and infortaiment from one side and unprofessional Internet things from another .

    I think instead of constant repeats you better read his books, he has many weak points, but some valid ones. Main being that capitalization of Google and other information behemoths are largely based on the fact that they destroyed normal ecosystem and promoted freebie / cheap solution (that was not solutions, but trojan horses, including close connection to government agencies and selling your private information/data/ work).

  • @Vitaliy_Kiselev I understand rich are getting richer and poor and middle class are getting poorer, but my question is why do you think the internet has helped to increase this trend?

    @kurth You are right regarding truth and media. It's obvious - who's going to tell the raw truth about govt/big biz/money and power...Wolf Blitzer and Brian Williams, or the internet bloggers? Lol. Yes the internet has a mass of information that can be confusing for some, but I too had the experience of learning to sense what is BS and what is true on the internet. ..and I think a lot of people do...thus the internet beats mainstream media when you want detailed truth.

  • This guy suggests a fantasyworld of years past where artists somehow made a comfortable living. What planet was that on? Not to say things are good now, but I believe is paints a misleading picture of how it "used to be". There's a bit of "get off my lawn" in this guy's attitude.

  • my question is why do you think the internet has helped to increase this trend?

    All big internet companies are doing this for sure, as their owners and most workers belong to this top class, at same time their are destroying local shops, media, full time photo/music/video workplaces. You can find plenty of facts.

    ..and I think a lot of people do...thus the internet beats mainstream media when you want detailed truth.

    How about real sample? What can do more good - few real newspapers in small town with their journalists and normal people influencing that they are doing, or absence of normal press and TV and pair of strange bloggers working most of the day and one or twice a month telling you horrible "truth"? Truth by itself has no use until you have society and real mechanics to fix issues standing behind it.

    Not to say things are good now, but I believe is paints a misleading picture of how it "used to be".

    He has right to paint any picture he wants. His point is that road that we take has alternatives contrary to that big corporations and rich elite are telling you.

  • @VK I see your point re internet companies displacing local shops (we lost a good camera store here locally). I will need to research and think on this more to see how this affects the larger economy as a whole. It's an interesting point.

    @VK In terms of a "real sample", I'm not thinking about local small town newspapers, but rather the national news about politics...the reality of money and power. My example is CNN and NBC...vs the internet. You tell me "who do ya trust?!"

    @VK I agree that truth alone is not the solution. The society/mechanics need to be altered for change to occur. But 1st step is truth. Will humanity take 2nd step?...I dont know.

  • In terms of a "real sample", I'm not thinking about local small town newspapers, but rather the national news about politics...the reality of money and power.

    And I am telling about local things, where journalist make huge amount of work, where they had been real power. This is the area where destruction is most serious and where elite was fighting their main war.

    They injected strange and absurd idea that some people working for free in their free time without any skills, rights to be on the place, any skills working with data and documents will replace professional institutions. People are huge help and bloggers and such could be big asset, but only as small addition to professional institutions. Institutions that must be on the peoples side of the war with big corporations .

  • @VK I may be missing your point. When I think of "local journalism", I think of newspapers that focus on small area. We have a town "Gazette" newspaper that covers a few neighboring towns. It's always been worthless, other than seeing which high school teams won football games or finding out when the next town pie baking sale will be held...or maybe some debate about a local law that is pretty petty. The issues that affect people tend to be state and national politics/taxation/legislation, and big business practices. Those issues were better covered in this area by the Washington Post, and are even better covered by "the internet". Am I missing your point (if so please explain as I'm interested to hear what you mean)?

  • What???? Iraq, Iran, Georgia, Libya, Ukraine... Are you telling us that the established western media have been providing accurate and unbiased reporting on these issues? And that no journalists independent of these instutions have been able to provide alternate sources of info? If this is what you are suggesting you are completely out of touch with reality.