@vitaliy You say your pedophile extreme is made to make me think? research? and to not use emotion? you need to find a better extreme example then :) You cannot invoke people to not use emotion in a discussion like this let alone when you bring in child sex abuse. I will discuss this maturely for as long as i can take it without becoming too depressed, but you cannot ask me to do so without a modicum of emotion. It is what makes us human.

i apologize if i was too personal, but i think if you are going to suggest that someone who defends homosexuality by extension should defend pedophilia (even if just playing devil's advocate), then i think you should be thick skinned enough to deal with someone saying 'i guess you don't have any kids'! If you do, then you'd understand ;) But, you're right, should have kept that out of it.

You are saying that the homosexuals didn't think about it until media told them. this is ''one' way of looking at the correlation, certainly not 'the only' way. and i don't agree with it. i certainly didn't prove your statement. I think some are thinking about it, they are just terrified to publicly act on it, others repress it, which is sad but for some maybe ultimately doesn't really affect them.

I understand your religion/god argument as it relates to religion/god, i use it many times myself. I don't really understand how it relates here. sorry if i'm missing something obvious.

I am not versed in Dostoyevsky, but at least in C&P wasn't the right to kill argument just a very individual one in someone who thought they were above society? i think we are far from the original argument here, and this tangent isn't one i can knowledgeably argue about.

Many people like myself never had any problem with gay people until they started advocating reverse discrimination and retribution. We should all be free to express ourselves as we choose in a free society. Unfortunately that isn't the case when the gay media-mafia decides to come after you under the familiar mantra of "social justice."

Phil Robertson got savaged when he said he personally didn't find male-on-male sex to be very appealing. What if he had said he didn't find it appealing to eat gluttonous amounts of food like that fat guy on the food network? Would there have been similar outcry for his lack of acceptance of a fat TV personality? People should not expect their personal behavior to be sacrosanct and a part of the personal desires of every person on the planet. It's never going to happen.

Additionally, Brendan Eich of Mozilla was "revealed" to have supported Proposition 8 which was actually passed by more than 52% of voters in the state of California in 2008. Still, the gay lobby decided it was time to make an example of someone with mafia-like tactics in order to try and strike fear into ALL technology executives in silicon valley.

Many from the gay community have since come out and said these scorched-earth tactics are not helping gay acceptance - and I agree with that. People tend to take notice when advocacy groups start holding guns to people's heads and demanding their loyalty. It doesn't make friends in the long run, rather resentful "subjects."

In my opinion gay acceptance has reached the point where advocacy is no longer necessary and is now mostly used for self-serving publicity reasons. If this Cook announcement is followed up by some new Apple marketing initiative that further embraces the gay community, Tim and Apple's motivation will seem pretty clear, at least to me.

Do not use emotions? homosexuals fighting to right to flush brains of your sister using mass media and turn her into lesbian? Sad, very sad, and yes those are emotions

@neosushi

Especially this part :" If you spent some time researching history you'll find strange thing. Most people had quite logical reason to hate jews due to things they did."

What do you know about history of jews?
Reasons why they had been punished under different rulers in different countries?

Goal of my words is to make you wish to get a book and read it. Not to repeat me here words about tolerance you just heard from your TV or newspaper.

On the one hand I don't even see how this posts have anything to do with this website. And with rationality and intelligence on the other.

LOL. You seems to be new here. PV blog is always such. Made to force your little gray cells to do that they are supposed to do, but are not doing usually - think.

@neosushi, look at my avatar, i feel the same

Wow this whole conversation is sad. And terrifying.

Especially this part :" If you spent some time researching history you'll find strange thing. Most people had quite logical reason to hate jews due to things they did."

On the one hand I don't even see how this posts have anything to do with this website. And with rationality and intelligence on the other.

@vitaliy because we should protect children over the right to have freedom of expression. i guess you don't have any kids. Your pedophile argument is more akin to saying "if i want to kill people i should be allowed to, what the hell's wrong with that - it's what i want to do." the homosexual argument is one of CONSENTING ADULTS. Your repeated quote of research that says "number of gay couples directly correlate only to media politics in the country" doesn't prove anything about brainwashing, my god. Most likely if media are discussing it (good or bad) you are in a country where it is easier to come out.

@FrankGlencairn the status quo for these things was that people had to be ashamed, and 2nd class citizens because of it. to be 'proud' is just them standing up and saying 'no, i'm not ashamed' etc.

@vitaliy i find your reference to pedophilia a little astounding. pedophilia is illegal to protect the child. it is illegal to have a picture (of a sexual nature) of a child on your phone because it means that child was exploited in generating the picture. This argument is irrelevant. The right homosexuals are after is a right to have a relationship between two consenting adults. if acts between adults occur (gay or straight) and one party isn't consenting, regardless of age, then it again becomes illegal (rape).

Better stay on topic people. Gay people were born gay for ages, even when there was no mass media

Oh boy am I sick of all this "proud" BS. Proud to be gay, proud to be black, a Jew, a German, American ore even a woman?

How can anybody be "proud" for something he was accidentally born into? Some country, some gender, some race, skin color or sexual preference?

Oh pleazzze - it's nothing you have accomplished stupid, it just happened .

If those people wouldn't be so selfimportant, and wouldn't make such a fuzz about it (which is the sheer opposite of the "normal" they always ask for), we would have reached gender-, race-, andwhatnot-blindness since years. But since they make them self so special (and often even better) than the rest - the rest is just pissed off.

@RottenCarcass

"to be gay is horrible and I can never accomplish anything - there are no gay presidents, and no gay senators, and no gay generals and no gay CEOs of respected companies". AHA! YES THERE ARE, AND TIM IS ONE, and one day YOU CAN BE TOO!"

Well there is always a carrier in the catholic church - up to the highest ranks ;-) And when it comes to gay presidents, gay senators and gay generals - do your research and you may be very surprised.

http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/30/7133103/thank-you-tim-cook

Well, mass media :-)

I wan to see another coming outs. Like "Tim Uncook - I am proud to be engineer" and story how he made things and invented things since being child and how he become founder for his own company, how he worked 15 hours a day for years and finally made big company that made smartphone and computer of such quality that Apple decided to move to condoms market.

Instead we have coming out where leading manager famous for pushing contractors to reduce their workers salaries as much as possible tells us that he likes to push his dick in the different hole belonging to a guy. Well, shit.

The forum is 'above' platform bashing but apparently not above equating being gay with being a pedophile, or the idea that people "turn" gay due to media influence because they can't "find their girl".... the mind boggles

In math it is usual method. I just pushed to the extreme. To make you think and find the difference (and it is not much difference here).

As for girls and becoming gay. Problem here is that science does not support usual gay theory that it is some kind of nature "gift". For most actual gays it is not gift, it is purely their choice. For some it is media flushing their small poor minds, for others it is logical choice as it allow to get big advantage (yes, being minority also provides big advantage sometimes).

In the start of 20th century some people seriously fought (and still are) for right to go naked openly every day. Quite natural thing. Yet if you try to do it today you will be pressed much more than being open gay, much more. I do not see media cry for this. Why?