If there is no "C" in front of the lens data (like C12x6) it doesn't cover. A J for example stands for 2/3 video.
Finally had the chance to test a few serious (and expensive) PL-mount S-16 zooms on the GH2 (with framing for the BMPCC) and used my trusted Schneider Variogon 18-90 for comparison (yes, I know, it's not wide).
A Canon 8-64 (probably the most expensive on the 2nd hand market) was really disappointing. Massive distortion at 8mm, on par with the 8mm 1.4 Kowa (which was sharper at f1.4 than the zoom at T4.0), but massive field curvature too. Focussing to the center made the corners soft and focussing to the corners improved those a bit, but made the center soft. Even stopping down a bit didn't help. Plus, it's 8mm is more like 10mm in practice, since it doesn't focus as close as a wide prime and it's so damn big and long – the angle is obviously not calculated from the sensor plane, but from the front. I could get as wide or even a tad wider with my Cinegon 10mm (which was sharper with less CA and nearly no distortion). Sure, it's getting a bit better when zooming to 12mm, distortion is reduced quite a bit, but what's appealing at first view with this lens is the wide end. Plus, the one I tested was quite yellow. At 2,000 grams and about 1 dollar per gram – forget it!
The Canon 11,5-138 weighs about 1.700 grams and should be a bit more interesting if you can find it for a good price. It's getting acceptable around T4, but wide open (T2.5 or so) it can't hold a candle to the Lumix 12-35 at f2.8 resolution wise.
The extreme Canon 11-165 (around 2 kg again) is really stretching it, only good from medium to tele. But who needs such a tele on the BMPCC? Maybe for wildlife, OK, but you'd need a massive tripod then…
A Zeiss Vario-Sonnar 11-110 T2.2 was the shortest one, but massive too. At least it had a more predictable distortion than the Canons, being pincushion all the way through. No field curvature either, but resolution WO wasn't impressive. Even at T4 it didn't get as good as the Lumix at f2.8. Shortest focus is quite long at 1.5m and between 13-28mm it get's quite dark in the corners at some apertures – labeling it "S-16" is stretching things a bit.
Of course, they all have serious cine mechanics, but the also breathe massively all over. These lenses were made for news, sports or wildlife and, above all, for 16mm film.
My advice would be: don't hunt for such massive vintage cine zooms these days if you don't own one yet. They are too massive for the BMPCC and they won't resolve future 4K sensors in small cameras. The Schneider Variogon can be found much cheaper, weighs only 850 grams and has serious mechanics too. It's resolution isn't too impressive either, but it has less CA, distortion and vignetting (the latter compared to the Zeiss only).
If you need something wide, hunt for good vintage primes as described here before or get modern glass plus SB, RJ or Mitakon or the tiny Kowa lenses.
@CFreak my tests with RX vs Standard Kern, says the opposite, my 16mm RX has not blurry corners, no vignette and it is sharper than the AR version. The 25mm 1.4 RX, the same. The 10mm RX Schneider Cinegon, the same but with a little vignette. You can check the Cinegon here:
Also bear in mind that the RX are much brighter, due the reflex prism design that need more light to match the f stops. Pardom my english.
@cantsin SOME LIKE IT SOFT
@nomad Have you check the Angenieux 15-150mm f2.8?. I got a copy near mint and it is fabulous, covering the S16 in all the range and with no blurry corners wide open, and also quite sharp. Posting a video soon.
Nope, I didn't get one. Anyway, I was more interested in those covering wider, at least 11mm.
Have heard good things, though, other than Angie 12-120mm.
@nomad I have been using an Angenieux 7-81 HR PL-zoom with my Pocket Camera. I think this was their last S16 zoom model produced. Optics seem really nice so far - even field, nice and sharp, and a good range from wide to tele. I'll post a video soon.
Since Angenieux is currently the undisputed leader in cine zooms for 35mm, I wouldn't doubt that their most recent S-16 models should be good too. (OK, Fuji has some nice ones too).
The ones I tested were relatively old constructions.
A very RARE lens. Schneider Xenoplan 25mm f/1.8 C-mount. Incredible sharpness all around the frame and in all aperture range. And cost me 5 bucks :D
Edit: Not so rare
@nachelsoul are you sure it is 1.8 and not 1.9?.... 5 bucks is indeed extremely cheap, however the lens is not that rare, quite nice and also fully covers 4/3" sensors....
@Nieuw you are right is 1.9, and also right this is not a rare lens, although there a few copies around. It is Ernostar design not a very common formula. Sorry for the mistake.
@nachelsoul no problem whatsoever with the mistake, thanks a lot for showing us your video. I just wanted other people to be able to find this very nice lens on Ebay and other places.... one warning: it does fully cover a 4/3" (or m4/3 camera) sensor, however be careful to screw filters on its front because in that case it easily starts vignetting.
@nachelsoul The SK 25mm 1.9 thread size is indeed a bit odd, it is 30.5, a size rarely found, however it is available and is also used for some of the good old Pentax 110 lenses...
@nachelsoul the stepup rings you can for example find here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pro-Step-Up-Rings-30-30-5-34-37-40-5-43-46-49-52-55-58-62-67-72-77-82-95-mm-/181236205147?
I received my pocket cam in November but have not been able to play with it until now. This is basically a test of the Lumix 14-45mm as a walk around hand held lens. Very rough/simple grade and edit. I am usually pretty shaky with handheld and wanted to see if I could pull it off with the OIS. It turned out ok as long as I am stationary, but panning is still jittery, plus I think Vimeo compression is adding some too.(just checked definitely less jitter on download) If I practice more I think it might be usable in certain stealth situations, however I anticipate much more shoulder rig and tripod use. I also tested the internal audio with the Zoom H1 as mic, with internal audio set at 60 and Zoom on auto. It was just for picking up ambient sound but I think it works fairly well. I got this lens for $100 bucks, and I love it (for the price). I'll be doing more cinematic grades with it and my Nikons later.
I haven't seen any videos with the 14mm and wide angle adapter making it 11mm so here is some quick graded shots. The other video is a test with the 20mm.
Did you experience any problems with the 20mm, like sudden changes of aperture or focus?
@nomad No problems with the 20mm so far. I did have some when I first got the pocket in November, but I did the Panasonic firmware upgrade for the lens on my GH3 and I think that fixed it, but I'll do more test to make sure.
Quick test of Nikon AIS 50mm F1.8
Now to Russian lenses for the Kiev-16U camera, finally I received the thin, black adapter from rafcamera. He's a very nice guy, BTW, keeping up good communication. I didn't buy my lenses from him, but I would trust him for lenses too.
The adapter fits very well on the BMPCC, a bit tight on the GH2 (which I used for test shots). The only complaint I have that you don't have any grip on the ring, it's just flat and difficult to turn back from a tight fit. It looks really good on the BMPCC with such lenses, though.
MIR-11 12.5mm f2 It covers S-16 indeed, but the corners have massive CA and lack sharpness WO. Plus, there is quite some barrel distortion, it nearly looks a bit "fish-eye". Center is really sharp from the start, contrast aint't bad either, but even at f4 the corners lack sharpness and are still darker. Very long focus throw for a wide, about 270 degrees, with a MFD of 20cm.
VEGA-7-1 20mm f2 Covers well, but corners are soft even at 4, less CA than the 12.5 (but still some) and nearly free of distortion. Long focus throw and MFD of 40cm.
TAIR-41 50mm f2 Covers even MFT with corners a bit darker, shows mild pincushion. Low contrast WO, but pretty sharp into the comers and no CA, better at 2.8 and getting nice and sharp at 4. Focus throw might even be longer than the others, MFD is 70cm.
BTW, while the wider ones have a six-bladed aperture with a sawblade look like some Cookes when stopped down, the Tair has so many that i don't like to count them and stays round whatever you do.
They all have click-stops (which surprises me on Russian lenses) and there is considerable sample variation in centering and color (which doesn't surprise me, my samples are from '67 to '71). While the adapter seems to be high precision, the lenses are not. Flange distance is all over the place and they may need some shimming.
Don't expect modern performance from these lenses, the two wider ones never get really great in the corners on the BMPCC, but they have a very vintage look and nice flares, which would not be so easy to mimic in post. I can imagine quite few situations where I'll like them. The only alternative are the Zeiss (Eastern) Tevidons if you want this look.
These and a BMPCC are much cheaper than a Digital "Bolex" for going vintage ;-)
Hey I got one question.
Is there a difference in sensor coverage and rendering of MIR 11m 12,5mm vs MIR 11m 12mm?
Thanks in advance
I am interested in the Olympus or Panasonic 14-42 pancake lenses for this cam - can anyone speak to the functionality of these lenses? Obviously they're slow, but I'm wondering about the ability to retract lens when cam is off since the lenses wont be on manufacturer body... Also, the Panasonic has a lever for focus instead of a ring - what is that like to use, anyone with experience with either of these lenses. Oly seems better but no IS...
@eddy_warhole: I can't tell, only tested the 12.5mm.
I tried a canon B4 zoom video lens (2/3") on the Bmpcc and, as I expected, the vignetting is almost absent. I get black corners only on wide angle, so I assume it is usable if you do a small cropping in post. The overall quality seems better than using such a lens on m43 with Ex tele conv (2x), and the zoom factor is smaller. I will try it better, and post some samples. Did any of you make such a test?
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