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2K BlackMagic Pocket Cinema Camera, active m43, $995
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  • Thanks - sounds like easy solution. Gotta get my hands on a Pocket and start test shooting! Not sure what beats it at $995.

  • Chromo NR.

  • @mo7ies That sounds like a great solution. Is the added blur noticeable on larger screens (60" TV sceeens and big theater screens)?

  • Both BMCC and BMPCC exhibit moire. To me, it's a very small price to pay for the tremendous resolution these cameras provide.

    Fix: in post, selectively apply slight blur just to the area of the moire in the frame. (I much prefer this to the permanently installed OLPF in-camera, which cannot be undone...)

    Voila - the best of both worlds; sharp image, yet no more moire.

  • For me the moire is a little worse on the BMPCC but aliasing a little better as compared to GH2.

  • It's much worse than on the GH2 if you have a modern, sharp lens on the camera, but not as bad as with APS-C Canon DSLRs.

  • I know there's been some discussion of moire issues for Pocket camera. Does anyone know how bad the moire on the Pocket is relative to the moire on the GH2?

  • Nieuw November 2013 @markr041 I cannot properly run Resolve light on my current computer and will first have to invest in a new one...

    Yup. Here's RAW 4 PRO vs Resolve comparison: http://raw4pro.com/resolve/

    In short, RAW 4 PRO runs on any computer, not much in terms of system requirements.

  • @cantsin Thank you kindly for the link and elaboration. Makes a lot of sense. Seems like the rule would be to be equipped with adequate lighting to make up for the need to step up the aperture (and by this I mean opening up the iris) without sacrificing too much DOF, as per my previous email. I understand that this is a challenge for indie filmmakers.

  • My issue with smaller aperture is the loss of DOF. I know this is celebrated with the DLSR crowd but I feel 90% of their videos are out of focus. Somehow, due to earlier video cam's lack of DOF, it has become anathema to have any kind of deep focus even though most movies that were shot pre-millennium have no instance of this unless it is a close-up shot, and even then it is not always the case. That's not to say it never happened but when it did it seemed to be a deliberate choice that contributed to the story.

    Now if you take a lens that is f/2 and you slap a speed-booster in front of it you get this ridiculously razor thin DOF that for some reason is considered "cinematic". OK, well, please, can someone post examples of all these classic movies that have such a shallow DOF? I have not seen them.

  • @nomad Thats true, I remember watching "The Social Network" in a theater and the night exteriors were really terrible, blocky (that was Red One with the misterium demo sensor I guess). Didn´t look like a Fincher movie at all... Than I watched the bluray and it was very clean and smooth.

  • And this would also be true for 800 ISO native digital raw cameras like RED and Alexa. Those factors being equal you're not going to be optically faster on either camera compared with what's easily attainable (though not always practical in every instance) with a speed-boosted Blackmagic. Like I said. Not even other speed-boosted MFT cameras are as optically fast as the same lenses on the Blackmagic cameras with the Blackmagic model Speedboosters.

    And all of this is still significantly advantageous versus film and 500 speed being the most common for "low light" photography in motion pictures and lenses topping out at T1.2 or so, but you'll have to borrow an AC from Fincher to pull focus at even that speed, which is "stopped down" in the Speedbooster paradigm.

  • @spacewig It's called ETTR. Here's more information about it. The idea is to expose the digital sensor to the maximum before highlights clip, and this way maximize dynamic range and minimize noise. The overexposure zebras of all Blackmagic cameras recording ProRes in Film log mode or RAW are calibrated for ETTR, not for conventional film exposure.

    If you're working with your light meter the conventional way without maxing out exposure on the camera, you're throwing away much of its quality advantages such as dynamic range. For example, if you conventionally expose but still have two stops headroom before clipping, it means that you're throwing away 2 of the 13 stops dynamic range of the camera.

  • @cantsin Pardon my ignorance but could you expound on that? Say, for example, I am filming someone sitting in an armchair in a livingroom, the scene is lit, and I take an incident reading with a light meter which tells me that at ISO800 at 180° shutter the aperture should be set at f/4. Why, with the bmpcc, do I have to open up to f/2.8 or 2 if I'm shooting in RAW?

  • 800 ISO native has to be taken with a grain of salt with the Pocket (and other Blackmagic cameras) recording raw, since you're not exposing for 18% grey, but exposing to the right. Which in most cases means that your image will be 1-2 stops visually overexposed and pulled down in post for correct visual exposure. This effectively reduces the native ISO of the Pocket to 200-400 ISO by conventional photographic standards.

  • The BMPCC/BMCC could beat the stop of any lense you cared to pair with a RED once you've got the Metabones in the mix so it comes down to ISO performance.

    In midtones the texture with the Epic can reasonably pass for grain at speed. Not on a still. It's 100% digital looking, especially when you lift up the blacks checking the edges of mattes, etc., it's pure digital, regular and horizontally biased, and looks very close to GH2 footage in this respect. Of course the GH2 gets uglier faster to be sure.

    This is 4K 7.5:1 (REDcode 42). What's curious is the digital noise look is fully maintained through to 2K linearized footage where I would have expected some of it to be filtered away. It must be an order-of-operations thing with Redcine-X or perhaps their scaling method just needs to be improved.

  • Of course you can put Zeiss Superspeeds on a Red, but it's true, before Dragon Red cameras were no low-light cameras either. But I always liked the structure of the grain, if it's bad there must have been too much compression. OTOH 4K is a good starting point for Neatvideo. A colleague has shot a nationwide commercial with a Red One at night with nearly no additional light, which was processed with NV, scaled and broadcast in HD. Client was very happy.

    For low-light, get something like a Canon 5D MK III, a C300, Sony FS100 or an Alexa if you can.

  • 800 ISO native + SpeedBooster seems like a winning combo compared to RED, no? I'm working with some 1000-1200 ISO Epic footage that's surprisingly noisy, and not in a pleasing "film grain" sort of way.

  • Yes, as stated over and over again, these are not low light cameras. I don't understand why people keep shooting in low light and then seem concerned about the performance.

  • --posted this in response to a post that disappeared. Ill leave this here in case the author checks back.

    I just wrapped a shoot this weekend and had two bmpccs on set. On the rented camera I also rented the switronix canon battery solution. I didn't experience the batteries slip out, but I'm lucky my AC had extra batteries and chargers for his 60d on set. We used his chargers and batts and had no problems.

    Regarding shooting at night... Get fast lenses, maybe the sigma 18-35mm art lens with be speedbooster. I've had mine with the original speedbooster for a month and couldn't be happier. I would avoid day for night and get super creative using practical lights. Perhaps fake a street light and provide some very light fill if you're near power. If you're not near power, LED full power through some diffusion and pulled back far enough that it's only a dim fill.

    You can rent all this equipment from borrowlenses... If you're near a drop off location. I've used them a few times without problems.

    I'd be concerned with the extreme low light capabilities of the bmpcc. The sensor needs light to perform. I'd avoid low light if you can.

  • @derek Thanks for letting me know.. @markr041 Great job man really nice video.

  • @kingmixer Great news man.. just received mines in the mail today. They took the promo down since last night.

  • BMPCC + Leica Nocticron f1.2 Lens RAW Test: Wide Open at f1.2

    The last frame shows the resolution. Graded in Resolve to match reality (just for a change), no LUT. Scene lit only by natural light through a window (the previous video was lit only by incandescent bulbs at night).