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Homemade LED Ribbon China Balls-Rolling Experiment
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  • @vicharris --- inspired, I just ordered a lantern and some 90CRI LEDs !

  • Great work Vic! There is an undeniable magic to the china ball and I'm glad to see some DIY experimentation going on in the LED realm for this!

  • @Joshua_Cadmium This tests isn't about normal china ball rigging. We're all pretty up to speed on those but this is to mimic what we say on American Hustle, hints the term LED in the title. I'm looking to create a cool, soft light globe that can be walked with talent or simple hung on a boom pole without having to tie into AC. These can be run off of small. external batteries, as seen in the quick rig up pic above.

    @BurnetRhoades In the close ups for the first test, the bare strip was 10" from my face but only about 1-2ft of the whole 16' strip was illuminating me.

    On the second, the LEDs were in the globe and it was abut the same distance but obviously they took a big hit on actually brightness because of the globe. This strip was just 300 LEDs but I have a 600 sittting here as well as a different color temp 300. I'd imagine a 300 plus 600 would do the trick or if it works decent, 2 600's as the 600's are actually shorter since the LEDs are closer together.

    As far as arraigning, all I did at first was create a cylinder to wrap the 1/4-green around and just cram the bastards in there. I've been shooting for the past 4 days with a 6am calltime and have 6 more to go. Needless to say I haven't touched em. As soon as I finish, I'll have time to play around with this stuff. I'll do a nicer grade on it as well. I was just trying to get a rich, contrasty look real quick. I feel the 1/4- really helped out.

  • @vicharris very cool!

    These CUs, about what distance was the fixture from your face? Doing a quick look at the Amazon pages it was a little hard to judge what the effective wattage might be, assuming the whole strip is used in there.

    I imagine you're doing a fair amount of experimentation on how to arrange the strip inside the ball. I'm wondering if orientation of the strips inside matters much, like feeding the strip in and letting it randomly clump versus something labor intensive like trying to do controlled loops, hanging in the center or run along the edges.

  • Check out http://www.aliexpress.com/ & http://www.banggood.com/ & http://dx.com/ I've often purchased gear and other random stuff from there, and they sell LED strips super cheaply too, and been thinking about purchasing from them.

  • I've actually been looking into China Balls as well. I'm using the same Ikea ones you are, too.

    I really, really hate low CRI lighting. Even HMIs look off to me - I'd rather go with gelled tungsten, even though output is drastically reduced. The only thing that comes close, in my opinion, is remote phosphor technology - what Area 48 and Cineo Lighting is doing. But the tech is currently a little expensive.

    Because of that, I've been looking for the best standard incandescent bulbs I can find. Photo floods are probably best, but I was trying to find something that lasted longer, since they're being used for a cheap photo studio, and that I could find locally (which ended up being Home Depot.) The best I found were these: http://www.homedepot.com/p/GE-200-Watt-Incandescent-A21-Soft-White-Light-Bulb-200A-W-TP1-6/100140577# - 3400 lumens and 2900k (although mine I rated at about 2725 in Resolve) with soft light. And also this one: http://www.homedepot.com/p/GE-300-Watt-Incandescent-PS25-Crystal-Clear-Light-Bulb-87847/100493736# - 6100 lumens at 130 volts (you'd need a step up transformer) or 4650 lumens at a longer lasting 120 volts (normal outlet voltage ranges from 110-130v). It ended up being brighter than the 200w, but it was also harder (as it was clear) and warmer.

    I've tested 2x of both of them in 2x balls and they didn't get very hot at all (which is what I was worried about) although they were completely stationary. Also, based on scant info online (don't trust me on this), it seems that standard incandescents might not get hot enough to combust rice paper

    If you do end up trying this out, don't use Ikea's socket for the bulbs, as they are only rated up to 75 watts. Filmtools has sockets for China Balls, but you could also use this: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Leviton-White-Outlet-to-Socket-Light-Plug-R52-00061-00W/100170446# combined with a locking extension cord adapter, which Home Depot sells. I ended up going with a brown Leviton adapter right next to the white one (as I didn't realized there was such a thing as a locking extension cord adapter) but that requires you to (somewhat easily) wire it up yourself. It is a better socket, though - rated up to 240v - but the white one seems to be just fine.

    Since the balls didn't get very hot, what I'm thinking I might do next is maxing everything out with this: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Leviton-Socket-with-Outlets-White-R52-01403-00W/100184555# and two more of the white sockets. Since I liked the 200w better, all three of them would give me just over 10,000 lumens and be just under the 650w max.

    I'm also thinking I might just get this: http://www.filmtools.com/e.html - this would let me use standard halogen bulbs - which get closer to 3200k or higher (which should be better for color) and give me 60-100% more lumens. However, they will run much hotter (as halogens do), and would most likely be hot enough to burn the rice paper if it touched it. They will also last less than 1/10 of the time the incandescents should last.

    I'll stick with the incandescents for now.

  • Hey Vic,

    Not following the other thread but kudos for taking the initiative to test and thanks for posting your methodology/results.

    Cheers

  • Digging these tests, thanks for doing this.

  • Second Test after I rigged up an internal pod for the LEDs to be contained in, then wrapped it with 1/4 minus green. Getting there. Once again, the untouched file and a quick BS grade. Off to bed.

    P.S. Yes, I just realized i lit myself from the wrong side. I'm tired :)

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  • Now obviously the first one is what we might call a tad bit green :) It's odd because on the vectorscope, it's really not learning towards green too bad. And the second one is a little too red. I'm trying to figure out how to build a housing inside the china globe to allow me the ability of wrapping the whole interior with some 1/4 minus green.