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2K BlackMagic Pocket Cinema Camera, active m43, $995
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  • On the contrary, I think blackmagic camera is very easy to shoot. I would think blackmagic products are made for the masses, affordable price and and easy to use.

    I'm an amateur so don't take my view too seriously :)

  • Can you give me an example of this "really bad" footage.

  • "Most people around here seem to know what is or will be involved in shooting high end video with this camera or any other Prosumer grade camera for that matter. Regardless of camera... it is and will be for the foreseeable future a TASK to achieve quality results."

    If that is the case then it seems that the majority of the people lucky enough to pick up a pocket cam so far do not know what is or will be involved in shooting high end video imho which then makes me wonder why they picked up one in the first place. These people obviously were also very keen to pick up this cam a they must have been at the front of the queue.

  • "It just seems people think they can pick this camera up.. Point and then shoot and expect it to produce faultless images out of the box like the gh3 and/or the mk3." The Irony. No camera is pick up and shoot "faultless" images. Most people around here seem to know what is or will be involved in shooting high end video with this camera or any other Prosumer grade camera for that matter. Regardless of camera... it is and will be for the foreseeable future a TASK to achieve quality results.

  • Yeah I am aware of that.. Seems like at 24p and 180 degree the shutter is more like 360. I will be shooting at either 24p at 172.8 or 25p to get round the issue for now.

    It just seems people think they can pick this camera up.. Point and then shoot and expect it to produce faultless images out of the box like the gh3 and/or the mk3. I think it is clear already from the majority of the footage that this is a serious piece of kit that when used right can produce great stuff.. And when not done right it's not forgiving at all..

  • None of it's the wrong shutter speed, the camera has a weird shutter angle bug @ 180.00, it's well known.

  • Can't wait to get my hand on this cam. In my honest opinion 99.9% of the footage I have seen is really really bad.. Out of focus.. Wrong shutter speed etc. I am no expert but some if the stuff is really below par...

  • RE: Brown Cast

    I posted this still a day or so ago: http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/comment/144439#Comment_144439

    If anything, it's a slightly green cast to my eyes, and when probed, but does it have the same cast to others that are spotting it?

    I'm curious, I do see it but I'm not sure if it's an inherent trait or if it's uncorrected footage, film convert, old glass, etc. that people are seeing.

  • im glad we are having this discussion re grading =) I wasn't crazy after all ha. @JDN really good observations there.

    Yep i think the next thing to look into now is the audio side of the pocket.

  • @Spacewig

    You are not alone. I'm still new to the operating side, way new... so, grain of salt here.

    If I understand your question, then either way is actually right. If you decide to just work with the LOG as the base, without pre-applying a curve before your first node in Resolve, then that's right. You even have a LOG panel in Resolve.

    Deciding that you want to work within broadcast spec is also technically representative of where you're going with the footage, as in the final delivery. But, it definitely reduces the amount of data you have to work with before your first node.

    You'll notice some people drop a LUT on the last node, some start in the project panels, and some do not use LUTs at all. Someone explained to me that if it gets you to the look you want and your scopes read properly, it kind of doesn't matter how you got there (Unless someone's paying for the work xD)

  • I second that, the audio is acceptable if the camera is fed line level by a pre-amp.

  • @kholi Thank you kindly for taking the time to post a detailed explanation; your effort is much appreciated. What I'm trying to understand is when the footage is acquired with a logarithmic curve, as it is when choosing film mode, do the changes one subsequently tries to make to said footage in Resolve also follow a Log workflow? Or is using a LUT converting the footage to a linear curve and therefore making changes in Resolve more representative? Apologies in advance, I know fuck-all about this RAW/Log footage business, though some things would appear to be self-evident.

    On a separate note I took a few shots with some of Olympus's high grade lenses (7-14, 14-35 & 35 -100mm) and the images are fantastic. Those lenses seem like having a full set of primes as they keep their sharpness and low-distortion characteristics thoughout the entire zoom range. Also, I will be posting some info regarding the line input on the blackmagic forum in the next few days. So far it appears mic > preamp > camera is a perfectly valid workflow, eliminating the need for an external recorder if one wishes to travel light, so-to-speak.

    Cheers

  • Can anyone who's received their Pocket Camera from CVP help me? I asked CVP about my position on the list of pre orders but they are being really shady and not telling me anything. The last email I got was stating that they made deliveries for orders from April 8, 2013 at 18:00 / 6:00 PM UK time im guessing.

    Has anyone received theirs yet from ordering after 4pm UK time on the 8th? if so, are they re calibrated already?

  • @matt_gh2 Sharpening past 20 in Premiere is really easy for this footage. You can feel confident that you can give everything in the frame that extra push. That footage that I introduced earlier had no sharpening done to it. I think my next will.

  • RE Filmconvert:

    Try the GH2 and Standard Profile in FC, that was an interesting way to start things out when I tested with the 2.5K. I have not tested with the Pocket Camera at all, though.

    I'm going to try to shoot straight Video mode soon, it seems to be more appealing than the Video mode on the 2.5K.

  • Yeah, I'm not a fan of the BMCC color pack for BMPC — part of it though is that I prefer to do primary correction with a waveform in symphony while I'm editing, and so by the time I'm taking it into FilmConvert, its not really straight from the camera anymore. But I far prefer that because filling out your waveform, and often, purposely clipping highs or lows, or raising or lowering gammas, is all an important part of look, and you have a lot of room with these prores files to do that. Film convert is more about taking away the video edge than it is about replacing a primarly color correct tool.

    Surprisingly, I've found the 5dmkiii preset works best on my exported edit sequence

  • Back to the brown stuff.. are you guys finding the FilmConvert BMCC color pack not working well? I tried it with some of the ProRes files available for download and thought it looked great.

  • @theconformist

    Ahhh, that's how you do it. I tried 3 times while they were on vacation for a month but didn't use that of course. Hints why I have another one coming this week.

  • I think it is time to make separate topic for all this buy/cancel/preorder stuff.

    Guys, please make one and go to it to discuss such things.

  • @theconformist I had to use my visa debit to pay and since I live paycheck to paycheck I couldnt have the uncertainty of a charge happening at a critical moment. Yeah I think If Adorama is actually shipping them I will cancel it tomorrow.

  • @No_SuRReNDeR You can still cancel, I cancelled mine with an agent at B&H via the Live Chat feature, they cancelled the pre-order and refunded me the (unused) SquareTrade extended warranties I had bought. Why did you have to prepay?

  • @theconformist Not sure if I can cancel since they would have to refund me...I prepaid for my camera as well. I am having trouble selling my GH2 but if I can get someone local to nab it Ill have enough cash to buy that Gh3 Ill let you know when I do hopefully you still have it.

  • @No_SuRReNDeR My GH3 is still available ;) Regarding the pocket cams though, forget B&H. Cancel your pre-order and just hound smaller dealers. I got mine through EOSTech in NY, I sent them an email expressing a desire to buy their next available camera and in a week I got a phone call telling me one was in. Received it the very next day.