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2K BlackMagic Pocket Cinema Camera, active m43, $995
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  • peaceonearthpeaceonearth

    thanks @stip. strange behaviour indeed.

  • stipstip

    why you guys need to bully someone who thinks he's been fooled from the advertising, the images are misleading and if someone feels offended that's valid?! You might not care, l don't either, but I don't tell them to 'live with it' and 'get over it' and 'stop bitching' and all :(

  • kholikholi

    @RRRR

    Yes, on every single point, including the last in comparison to Alexa ProRes.

    I'm coloring an Alexa shot project RIGHT this second and it's ridiculous how similar the images are outside of resolution, rolling shutter, and top end DR.

    @No_SuRReNDeR

    You finally decided to get one? haha

  • vicharrisvicharris

    If you all think camera manufactures only use images shot by the camera that they are advertising, then you really have no idea about advertising out here. Kholi is 100% right about this and it happens all the time. Get over it people. If you don't like the camera, stop bitching and keep filming with whatever you have. This is absurd.

  • No_SuRReNDeRNo_SuRReNDeR

    I just wish they'd hurry up and ship mine...I'm going nuts!

  • Brian202020Brian202020

    Yes I think BMD should only show images the camera shot. And I also think the box should not say RAW on it. Their advertising is bad, and if you really want to return it because it doesn't have RAW you should be able to, and I beleave BMD should pay the return shipping because of the false advertising. This should also be the case if you want to return it for the current lack of "professional audio" like their website says. All that said, I do beleave everything will work out in the end. I bet BMPCC RAW will show up by the end of October. As for the audio being fixed, I have fingers crossed for it to be implimented by the end of the year. For me the image is so good it is worth the wait.

  • RRRRRRRR

    Who the fuck cares? I shot both bmcc and pocket cam side by side last night, and difference in the end product is too slight to even mention IMO. Normally adverts have images from a completely different product - this is as close as it gets without being the same.

    By the way, judging from the clip I shot above there´s no more noise in the bmpcc than from an alexa (prores) at similar ISO / light levels.

  • peaceonearthpeaceonearth

    it's a double lie. It's from a BMCC EF and it was recorded in RAW, scene at 1:08

  • jrdjrd

    So, when a company finally gives people what they claim to want -- a high resolution film-like, 10-bit image largely free of video artifacts, a dynamic range nearing film and at a price much lower than anyone expected -- what do we hear?

    The footage is "soft" compared to DSLRs. The camera lacks the conveniences of a camcorder. You can't tell the difference comparing unrelated footage on youtube. The advertising is misleading.

    Never satisfied?

  • spacewigspacewig

    If you look on the info line at the bottom of the camera's screen on the picture above it is clearly written ProRes

  • kholikholi

    I dunno, I've been in advertising for most of my adult life and this is quite normal. I know my food doesn't look like it does in photos most of the time. If it doesn't say "actual shot from camera" then it's not false advertising.

    It's kind of the norm.

    I'm more curious as to why it's actually bothering anyone? Do you feel that you aren't getting the same kind of quality as that still? Just trying to understand.

    On the RAW thing, I guess they could have announced that it would be coming later in more places, but I expect it would've just made the target market for this camera that much more upset to have the camera ship even later.

  • peaceonearthpeaceonearth

    @kholi c'mon. it's quite simple. RAW recording with the camera? yes or no? If it's an option for later, why not name it correctly. I am not checking BM forums regularly so I was not aware that the camera is not recording RAW until I unboxed the camera.

    don't you think if BMD publishes this image it's shot with the camera?

    image

    no it's not, it's from a BMCC 2,5k

    marketing lies.

  • kholikholi

    Not defending anyone, just curious: would you have rather waited until RAW was ready in the camera before it shipped? Or would you rather it have ProRes, ship asap, and RAW on the way?

    I'm pretty positive that's why it doesn't have RAW right now, because they were trying to get it out.

    Not sure if it's a marketing lie: the pictures are not labeled "shot with Pocket camera dynamic range", it clearly says "raw wide dynamic range." But, I guess it depends on the interpreter.

  • peaceonearthpeaceonearth

    @ahbleza big marketing lies. Also images shown on the BMPCC are shot with other cameras. The announce RAW on the website and on the box too - but they supply only ProRes.

  • kholikholi

    That's the third time I've read Bh not cancelling orders on the cameras.

    They need to hurry up and get bad up to speed after that massive break.

    Glad people are getting their cameras. Looking forward to reading more opinions etc.

  • vicharrisvicharris

    I guess many are shipping now. The one I cancelled 3 times just shipped. Good going B&H.

  • MaulKentorMaulKentor

    Would this be a good adapter for MFT to EF on the pocket? http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B003EAXT5G/ref=gno_cart_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AK2IKCM8GEEZ6

  • ahblezaahbleza

    Incidentally, I received my BMPCC, and will be shooting with it this weekend for a teaser/trailer for a theater piece. I'll post some of the results here by Sunday, if all goes well.

  • RRRRRRRR

    Coming up soon, a couple of shots from last night (not the music vid).. 1600 iso, minimal grading. Second shot quite clearly shows the noise character of the lower third of the spectrum.

    pass: test

    P.s. prores available for download

  • kazuokazuo

    All advertising is about perspective and illusion. Depends on your paradigm. What is lying, or not lying?

  • StylzStylz

    @ahbleza Actually, at least this guy thinks cheating is a big deal. But I still love the images I see coming out of this cam.

  • perderperder

    @ahbleza I believe this has been discussed earlier in this same thread.. Yes, the lighting is clearly different. Yes, that is misleading, and if the camera doesn't perform similarly in the real world, that's bad.. But they are nothing more than tiny illustration thumbnails used for advertising, I really don't see the big deal.. No one is going to buy a camera based solely on those three tiny photos..

  • MRfannyMRfanny

    ha, he's abit of a character isnt he.

  • ahblezaahbleza

    I was looking at the official BlackMagic web site for the BMPCC here: -> http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicpocketcinemacamera

    They have a section with three pictures, supposedly illustrating the wide dynamic range, compared with a DSLR. To my untrained eye, however, I think they are lying. The first image very clearly shows strong sunlight coming in, especially blowing out the windows, floor and part of the cupboard -- but the other two shots (shot with the BMPCC) don't show those highlights at all. To me, this is misleading, bordering on false advertising.

    In reality, while the first image is clearly a DSLR, I think they also flagged the sunlight, i.e. they cheated. What do y'all think?

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  • ahblezaahbleza

    Drew has posted his latest installment of a series on the BMPCC... My own BMPCC just arrived today, so I will be busy in the next few days. :-)

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