Driftwood Cluster X series 3:│moon T7│ЅріzZ T6│Nebula T7│Drewnet T9│

Zaven13

@driftwood. Nick I did some comparison shots between T4 with QP=16 and T7 under the same conditions and the same scenes. The time difference was the time it took to load the next hack. I checked the clips in StreamParser. Couple of observations that I don't know how to exactly interpret them. It takes Streamparser 5-10 times longer to parse the T4 clip than it takes the T7 for similar clip. On the other hand, the frame sizes (mostly I-frames) for T4 are approximately 150K larger than T7 for the1080 modes and less than 50K for 720P SH mode. 24P I-frames are pretty much the same.

charlie_orozco

@driftwood Wow, I just realized you featured my work in this thread! Thanks a lot, man. :)

Craig_R

@thepalalias Yep your right Its the main SD Card I use with my GH2 the only problem I have found with them is the outer case cracks and shatters in the same place. I have wrecked 2 128Gb Cards in the same way the plastic is sooooo thin its like paper. Guess they make the plastic thinner to fit all the memory in. I will post some photos tomorrow. I wanted to send them back but my boss said he could not be bothered with the paper work. Great Sd Cards Shame about the paper thin caseing. I do also use the 16Gb and 32Gb Cards from Time to Time and they seem to be stronger. The Sandisk 128Gb Cards are the only Cards I have ever Damaged. My boss said I was being to rough but when I showed him the thin plastic he agreed it was not me being to rough with the cards We will not be buying any more of them and will be getting the 64Gb 95Mbs instead from now on.

dado023

@Collipagus i think x264 could do it, and compression would go much faster as well, just put all varibles as you want them, fro example

c:\temp\1080p\x264_64bit_10bit.exe --crf 12 --output-csp i444 --preset slow "C:\Users\dado023\Desktop\hacktest\after.mts" -o "C:\Users\dado023\Desktop\hacktest\after.mp4"

this was only for testing purposes, but sometimes is use it for archiving, since it is 10bit, not 8bit, compresses better around 10-15%...if you want speed, use faster preset instead of "slow", as well define frame rate....etc

thepalalias

@Azo I haven't used the card but last year @Craig_R reported that the Sandisk Extreme 45 MB/s 128GB card spanned for 2 hours with Cluster v6.

http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/comment/72814#Comment_72814

Collipagus

I did some Tests with Monn T7 d in 24P Mode. What i have find out is that most Video Converter Tools did not recognize the 24p Attribute of the MTS Files. My Workflow is to import the Files in Avid Media Composer. Importing it is leading to missmatch Framerate 23.98. I´ve try´d 5DtoRGB , Cinec 2 from Cinemartin, AVCHD Transcoder 1.1 from Panasonic to wrap it in to an P2 Context but on some Clips it quits, and even Handbrake and so on, nothing worked. My solution is to use the Aunsoft Video Converter. This Programm recognize the 24p Framerate of the Clips and let me transcode it to Avid DNxHD 175 in 24p Framerate. After that Quicktime plays these converted Clips as 24p ! Importing it direct or via AMA Plugin/Volume even Avid exept the 24p Framerate. With that i am very lucky, Aunsoft Video Converter is my Solution to that Problem. I have to do some Tests converting it into different Output Formats but i think it will work.

Last Sunday i did my first shots with Moon T7 and for me it is awesome. That is the Quality of Image i ever looking for. Thanks to Vitaly and Nick.

Azo

@Jim_Simon

Have you had any issues in regard to recording with the Sandisk Extreme 128GB card? Have you recorded an hour or more of footage on this card? I am very curious because I was under the impression that the GH2's would not work with the 128GB cards or for that matter Driftwoods high bitrate patches.

Jim_Simon

@briwil

How are you determining the frame rate?

paulo

Fernando André, and we also have to remember about the lenses right? So, thank you very much for your help. I guess your opinion about the light is absolutely correct. I'll keep it in my mind. Thanks for your patch list too.

donniewagner

@x_worpig_x the magic hour and moon t7 test looked awesome. I've been noticing in my work the most cinematic looking footage comes from the magic hour, morning or night, and mid day with harsh sun makes everything look like video.

briwil

@Jim_Simon That's true, but according to a lot of us using set D, it's not coming out as 24p, no matter what anyone says it should be coming out as.

leprechaun

Quick Moon T7 test. 1080/24p Canon FD 28mm F2.8

Jim_Simon

@flaschus

According to Nick, he did set it up to shoot at 24 fps for set D.

tymeorama

@producer: please have a look at my posts the 23rd of July (same topic)... Here is a quote: "The mts file is seen as 24fps, but I cannot get 24fps with sound with 5DTORGB or Clipwrap. I will try with FCPX

Edit: In FCPX, the original .mts file is seen as 23.98fps, not 24fps... Still searching..."

I second @flaschus: it seems that there is still a missing information about how to use 24fps hack with 5dtorgb, clipwrap and fcpx as none of these software recognize the clip at 24fps but always as 29.976 fps. Maybe you can help providing informations?

sakattaq76

Driftwood's Moon T7 & Lumix 20mm - 1080_25p

Smooth -2,-1,0,-1

flaschus

yes yes you are correct, I should restate my question,,,

23.976fps footage encoded at 24fps,

is different than capturing 24 images a second...

and encoding at 24fps...

which is it? and, how could we find out...

producer

@flaschus: Every player and video editor here proves 24.000fps, even MediaInfo.

pop24

@x_worpig_x i used the walimex fisheye and the 12mm hyperprime, thanks :-)

x_worpig_x

@pop24 That looks amazing man. Great job. What lens are you using for the wide angle fisheye?

flaschus

hello,,

has anyone proved definitively that moon t7 runs at true 24 fps?

if so, how; and, if not... how can we figure it out?

pop24

Gh2 goes Big. T7 middle earth.

Jim_Simon

Just got back from my first paid shoot using Moon Trial 7 (set D for true 24 fps). The SanDisk Extreme Pro 64 GB we all know and love worked flawlessly, as did the SanDisk Extreme 128 GB 45 MB/s card.

I can't wait to edit and grade this stuff.

FernandoAndre

@paulo It's not just a matter of which patch use to get a "filmic look". In fact, you CAN get this kind of look with GH2 using any patch, even with the original firmware. The main key is light.

Yes, the hack plays a very important role on this process, avoiding macroblock artifacts, ugly noise and stuff that I don't have technical knowledge to explain, but it's only a part of the job. And no, you can't get a cinematic feeling on your footage just because you installed a patch. If you search for videos recorded with any hack, you will see that some looks amazing and some looks just like a cheap camcorder. The same hack, and the same camera. Why?

There are at least 5 important things to get cinematic footages. And in my opinion, and specially when talking about GH2, the most important topic is the light. Not the amount of light, it's not how much do you light the scene, but how you do it. If you get the light to properly work for you, so you will be able to choose a patch and understand in practice the difference between them.

That said, I recommend you the last Moon T7; Sedna AQ1 (a little instable but very beautiful); and Flowmotion 2.02. Any of these will provide a quality image for your purpose.

x_worpig_x

Short test with Moon T7. 24p. Graded in davinci resolve.

Alex_K

Extreme Pro 95/64

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