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2K BlackMagic Pocket Cinema Camera, active m43, $995
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  • ...change of tone to a serious question ....any ideas who will make a loupe that fits the 3.5" screen ?

    Also ...about those 16mm lenses from the netherlands.....simple 16mm lenses might vignette on the s16 sized sensor. I'd wait for some tests before I jumped .

  • Well, I preordered. I can always convert my prepayment at B&H to a gift cert and use it for other things, as I did with the original BMCC, lol. We'll see what happens. I do nature work. Gh3 for 1080p60 and autofocus, bmpc for hdr situations like nature beauties. In a weird way, Panasonic should be grateful as this will do more to breath life into M43 than pretty much anything -- you buy this camera and a 12-35 and 35-100 and you're basically set for most amateur to semi-pro situations and a good chuck of corporate and event work. (same could be said for gh2/3 of course, but the 8-bit banding issue is just a real issue -- moon has knocked out out a lot of it, but on wide skies, no way around it).

  • Forget the Pocket Cam... Just preordered the Black Magic Personal 4K Keychain Cinema Camera..... Although the rattling keys might interfere with sound aquisition!

  • Nice link, many of those lenses at 150-250 Euros are $800-$1,000 on ebay.

  • Does anybody know if the metabones speed booster M/43 will mount EOS lenses?

  • @manstok Yes. Great find!!!

    edit - you'll just need an Arriflex to MFT adapter. These run for $100-$150 or so on eBay.

  • So all these kind of lenses would work well on the BlackMagic Pocket Cinema Camera?

    http://mkoptics.net/m/index.php?cPath=22

  • @Sangye @Aria Nicely said.. since the 5D2 DOF became a trend having that full frame field view for me it's a none issue. I use to own a T2i which has real nice DOF sold it purchased a GH2 why? cause the GH2 has better resolution the images were more filmic thanks to @Vitaliy_Kiselev. To tell you the truth the GH2 has way more DOF than needed, Super 16mm size sensor is not far off from the gh2 for me it works. For soo.. long users on this forum been asking a solution for a not soo.. expensive ProRes 422 / Raw 1080p camera this is it people, what more can you ask at $1,000 price point. Let's not focus on the negative, we all know that every camera has it's strong points, for example Shane Hurlbut from ASC Pick the Canon C500 for his new movie "Need For Speed" he could of picked the Alexa which is a go to camera for most DP's like they say it's a tool use it for what it's good for, and create some great contant with it..

  • @ Shaveblog Most of us here have a nice collection of lens already for MFT and this body gives us even more options and some more abilities.. I work as a internal media shop in a larger company , we don't get huge budgets and a $999 body we can easily pass through the bean counters far easier than a 4k or 13k camera body.. if we need that well rent it or hire it out.

    We have a GoPro and use it maybe 3 times a year .. but its the tool we need for those particular shots.. it is a tool to get what we need done.. nothing more nothing less. This camera is no different, It is yet another tool to get the job done and hopefully it will meet the expectations BMD has put out for this camera. I can see a number of uses for this new body mainly because of the smaller sensor size and DR the camera is stated to have.. you may not need these things, but others do. We shall see how people are using these once it is out in the wild.

  • @Paddy @mpgxsvcd - "electronic control of focus" does not mean it will AF yet. They are just saying that they support focus by wire, like that 14mm they showcased on it. To be honest I'll be surprised if it has AF at all.

  • @Shaveblog +1. Not a really good option for run-n-gun style.

    I was hoping BM Pocket fever kills GH3 demand so that I can pick up GH3 at dirt cheap price. Oh well you just killed it. I hate you.

  • Actually, this season we're gonna use small Sony CX Camcorders for the majority of our weddings. Clients love deep DOF! Go figure :-)

  • Just Pre-Ordered @ B&H from @Vitaliy_Kiselev link looking forward for more updates..

  • Any specs on the audio?

  • @Shaveblog Your attitude made an otherwise misleading rant, somewhat enjoyable.

    You seem to be critiquing this camera on two fronts: the sensor size, and its inability to shoot higher resolution stills. A "real" cinema camera in a professional environment should not need to shoot stills. The advent of DSLR filmmaking seems to have brought with it some expectation that one camera should be capable of both high-quality still photography and high-quality video, but that's an artifact of a specific market development, and not something that I or many others take for granted. I do not generally shoot stills, and when I do, I make sure that I have a DSLR with me. Yes, one camera that can do both well is a nice idea. That is not what this camera is, no one is saying that it is, so forget about it if that's a higher priority to you than exceptional video quality.

    Regarding the sensor size. Super-16 is a well established format, with a history far longer than your own as a self-styled pundit on internet forums. Again, the advent of DSLR filmmaking has given a lot of people a false understanding of the relationship between lens families and sensor sizes, most evident in the endless misinformation about "crop factors", "full frame", etc.

    I'm so tired of dealing with clients and colleagues who don't understand that lenses are designed and optimized for specific film back / sensor sizes. To complain about the "crop factor" of this camera as if it were an insurmountable limitation, is as absurd as if a large format photographer complained that his 190mm wide angle lens became a long telephoto lens when he attached it to a 5D. He's just using the wrong damn lenses. There are plenty of serious wide-angle Super-16 lenses available (e.g. ARRI/Zeiss Ultra-16 primes, Angenieux zooms). Those are obviously out of reach for most people that will buy this camera, but there are plenty of other Super-16mm lenses that are not. Moreover, the MFT version of Metabones' Speedbooster, which is coming out this month, will effectively create many more wide-angle lenses.

    Do not think of this camera as a DSLR that is well suited for standard DSLR lenses. Think of it as a digital Super-16mm cinema camera. Be grateful that Metabones is making some of those DSLR lenses more useful, but definitely count on using Super-16mm and MFT lenses primarily.

  • @shaveblog, if the S16 BMC is as successful as I believe it's gonna be, there will be new lenses aimed directly at it. Besides you forget all the S16 Film Lenses out there already. It wouldn't take much for someone to go back to those designs. It's gonna fit the bill for a lot of people out there.

  • @GravitateMediaGroup @shaveblog Just like Gravitate said it may not be the camera for "you" having all that power in a pocket size cam is amazing, I call that tech marvel.. So many people want more, more DOF to be honest I don't know the reason why 16mm is more than enough I guess it's all a preference thing just saying.

  • Im sorry for reposting this, but I would love some help as I have the option to get an affordable 5d2 and was wondering if i should turn it down for this. I dont have anything to shoot till late august.

    I am a run and gun doc filmmaker and will be shooting a fair amount of shots indoors. I was thinking about buying this, and paring it with rokinon cine lenses and a speed booster by meta.

    I have 2 questions for you.

    would this setup do well for indoor shots.

    would the DOF be shallow if shot at something like 1.4 t with the speed-booster? would it look like an APS-C sensor (7d) at 1.8 or 2?

  • @Vitaliy_Kiselev I hear you VK but this time around I hope they get things right..

  • @shaveblog

    This may not be the camera for "you", but this may be the camera a million other people want to own.

    @oscillian

    the gh3 IS a great camera, and it can do things the pocket can't do, and the pocket can do things the GH3 can't, I think owning both would be the logical thing to do.

  • @Shaveblog I hear you. Finally came to my senses and am going to invest in GH3 or NEX5/6/7 instead. My clients couldn't care less about 13 stops.

  • In this video you can see the peaking function working.

    http://yakyakyak.fr/2013/04/nab2013-la-pocket-cinema-camera/

  • I look at this camera and I see a product aimed completely past the bulk of the posters here. It is not an all-purpose camera for high quality stills and stealth prosumer filmic video right off the card. It is essentially a Pro GoPro minus the fisheye and ultrawide FOV. That's what BM's demographic wants, and that's what they're getting. It's a niche pro camera targeted at a specific type of user and a specific type of shot and a specific workflow, and from what I've seen almost nobody here fits that bill including me. I have zero interest in this camera aside from casual curiosity about when some of its tech might trickle down to all-arounders I would actually have use for.

    Stills? Forget it. Yes you can pull a 2MP frame and call it a still, but your phone takes better stills than this thing no matter what lens you stick on it. A frame grab would be appropriate within the context of a 1080p video e.g. a title frame but as a "still" photo you'd want to share/print, no.

    3X crop means this camera is an even bigger bitch than m43 to find usable handheld glass which is how 99% here shoot and don't give me that nonsense about shooting your feature or spec rap video or festival short for the Euro market, the majority here seem to be along the lines of, well, me, who owns tripods sure but mostly shoots handheld with fast wide-to-normal glass. The handful who fall outside this group, save it, we know you're real filmmakers, OK? That one where you shot your new car and we could see your goofy reflection as you jabbered on about god only knows, that was genius stuff. Art even. So you get a free pass. The rest of us who just about manage with the Lumix 14mm and the SLR 12mm will find that those lenses are basically where the BM pocket cam starts looking wider than tele, and if you want to go wide you'll need to experiment and buy a bunch of weird eBay CCTV c-mounts till you find a decent 8mm that doesn't suck too much, or drop a thou on the Pana 7-14mm, or I don't know, wait for Metabones to promise you a BM-compatible SpeedBooster is on its way so find a comfy chair because you're going to be waiting in that chair till the nurse comes around with your pills and some apple sauce.

    I try not to extrapolate my own specific needs/wants to the overall chitchat here because everyone's different and that's special etc. But really, I think the cartwheels and streamers are a bit premature and probably even uncalled for. The real hot tamale is 4K for $4K, but that's too rich for everyone's blood here so it's a non-story. The unicorn for a grand instead of buying a boring old GH3 (fail! it's already months old!) is what gets you all hot and bothered, I know. I understand. But think about it some more before you jerk your cursor over to B&H for a pre-order. As an adjunct to real cams in a pro environment, sure. For the average prosumer run'n'gun chucklefuck with one cam and big dreams, this thing's a grand down the toilet.