Driftwood - Experimental Series 2: Low Rider, Cluster v8, V9, Intravenus II, GH3onaGH2, AN, Boom

thougts2uk

What is the difference between Cluster X and Intravenus I and Intravenus II? And which one yields the highest quality picture with the most latitude or detail to grade?

zsero

Hi,

@rean, the developer of a new video import and 4:4:4 upsampling tool joined the forum and he's looking for some high-bitrate out of camera MTS files for testing his tool. Can you share some MTS file with him?

Also, I think it's a perfect opportunity to share with him any files which produce "diagonal rain", since his tool might be able to get rid of them for good.

http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/5909/windmotion-upsampling-to-444

Do you know any other thread where people might have problematic clips with strange artifacts? I've only been following this one.

rajamalik

-Panny 14-140 lens, Intravenus II cinema smooth matrix, Slight grading, low light test ISO 500, had a bit noise, few shots recorded moire on microphone metal fsh, noise seems little above normal- ( its experimental so lets hope for better final version,reverted back to Canis )

GravitateMediaGroup

@rajamalik why does it look orange?

rajamalik

@GravitateMediaGroup the studio inlight is kind of dark yellow that's why. I graded it a bit didn't remove any colors from original instead did an exposure adjustment and slight color enhancements. App iMovie.

BurnetRhoades

@matt_gh2 I can confirm, running the latest Adobe updates for CS6, Windows version still produces "digital rain" when using the MTS files directly for rendering :(

matt_gh2

@BurnetRhoades Thanks for checking. What hack setting was footage shot with?

BurnetRhoades

@matt_gh2 This is going back and running some un-patched, virgin GH2 footage.

GravitateMediaGroup

@rajamalik

iMOVIE???!!????

jacfry88

Shot this the other day at The Masquerade in Atlanta. Just a quick music video using a bunch of b-roll for the band "Wire Method". I mainly just wanted to point out how much I was able to stretch the footage in post. I was using "BOOM" and the stage lights were very blue. I wanted to keep the WB at 3200k to avoid too much noise from the RED Channel. Used After Effects "SA Color Finesse"

Here's the actual video if you want to check it out. Just something quick and dirty. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SMY9NgDYLKY

BurnetRhoades

Wow, if you'd just posted the images I would never have assumed the "before" wasn't the warmer side.

Jim_Simon

"Adobe is great for editing with the MTS directly but it doesn't transcode properly when rendering out final quality, introducing some really annoying artifacts. This occurs with both Mac and Windows versions of CS6."

I've had no artifacts getting GH2 footage out of PP with any patch. The few clips I've seen exhibiting that rain glitch also showed it outside of PP, meaning it's in the actual footage.

rajamalik

@GravitateMediaGroup apple iMovie , application yar. it has some good options used it for a fast rough workflow. its good if u need to do something fast and easy.

BurnetRhoades

@Jim_Simon I'm here to tell'ya it's not in the footage. I've rendered projects both ways, on both Mac and PC, in the last 24hrs even, and the "rain" only shows up when CS6(-AE) reads the MTS directly. No rain when the footage is transcoded to DNxHD or ProRes via 5DtoRGB.

CS6-PPro may very well be immune. It stands to reason, but maybe naively so, that all parts of CS6 that read MTS would use the same routines. Adobe doesn't always do things that make sense though (see: 64bit program with filters that STILL only work in 8bit color).

I don't ever plan to render from PPro but it's not something that's in the raw footage, it's being introduced by a piece of software. It's also not a patch thing.

I will offer that the irregularity in some of the reporting on this might be related to whichever graphics subsystem is being used, maybe, if the software's render engine cares at all. Both my Windows and OSX machines are ATI.

Shon

Give the raw file with digital rain. I know about the fact that it will be played normally in a simple video player, I need to figure out what it is better to decode. If you feel sorry for wasting your time, then at least tell me what the patch comes out with this problem.

Jim_Simon

"I know about the fact that it will be played normally in a simple video player"

That's what I'm saying. The few clips I've seen DIDN'T play back normally in a simple video player. VLC showed the same 'rain' as Premiere Pro did. That's how I know it's in the footage itself.

That and not a one of my clips in six months of use with half a dozen patches have ever shown such an artifact in CS6.

Something weird is definitely happening, though, as not all players showed the artifacts. In my testing, only PP and VLC did, and each uses a different renderer.

BurnetRhoades

VLC plays back un-patched clips for me with no rain that CS6-AE renders with rain. Any clip that I've ever seen "rain" in, patched firmware or virgin, when rendered through CS6-AE will render clean through the same project file if I swap to using 5DtoRGB transcoded files instead of the MTS directly.

It's not in the footage itself. Or, to be more exact, it's not in the footage itself until certain software improperly displays the footage. Therefore the problem is not the footage itself.

IEBA1

Maybe it's a long GOP issue with how the information is muxed together? Some players can handle the discrepancy, others can't? As the hacks are constantly being tweaked, perhaps they may have been pushed too far in some way? Dos it also happen with footage shot with stock firmware?

AfricaGH2

As far as glitches go, I've had problems with the last patch I downloaded even with the 95Mb/s card. Video got blocky for a few frames even seconds every so often and I was never able to debug why it was doing it - blocky and green frames here and there. I ended up dumping the patch and just using another one and sometimes that's what you gotta do. I had tried patched before with no problems and my latest patch - I forgot what one it is exactly works fine. I have been patching my GH2 for the past year or so and edit in FCPx.

flaschus

Hello!

To everyone using cs6, maybe try using the cs6 media encoder to export footage.. it works well for me..

windows 7pro, 64bit..

I've never had any problems with ANY of my gh2 hacked footage in cs6.. or cs5 for that matter,,

matt_gh2

@BurnetRhoads @Jim_Simon I've just reviewed a good amount of footage I've shot using Apocalypse Now Boom v1 setting. No diagonal rain was seen while editing in Prem Pro CS6 (Windows), after output via PremPro and viewed on YouTube, and even when looking at footage raw in Windows Media Player. So for me AN Boom is "immune" from diagonal rain. My problem with diagonal rain came up when I used stock GH2 firmware.

Given the complexity of the various results we're all getting, I guess we can conclude the Diagonal Rain topic here by saying:

1) Most GH2 footage (whether hacked or unhacked) works just fine in all major software editors, including Adobe CS6. 2) In some cases, some hacked/unhacked footage will display the diagonal rain...and it may happen in a variety of environments which are hard to pin down at this point as different users experience it in different settings...BUT...it can always be fixed by the various transcoding solutions mentioned earlier.

Bottom line: have fun with your GH2, shoot great stuff, and if you see diagonal rain just use one the transcoding solutions mentioned. If you hate transcoding, you could try a different hacked setting...or even possibly try a different editor.

crowbar

I did my 2nd shoot with Clutster v7 Apocalypse Now - 6 GOP Nebula “444 and this time had no crappy looking super moire looking playback in FCPX (mentioned on bottom of page 26) - no rhyme or reason for this! In either case the final export looked fine. Here follow my so far two samples of the Apocalypse Now hack. I'm not sure it is appropriate in this thread but I also have some nice samples of the much earlier Aquamotion v2 hack and also a short GH3 clip. Perhaps there is another thread in which I should post them? The bird pond shoot was fun - started about an hour before sunset and continued up till dark. I mixed the sound low because of the excessive wind noise (just used the onboard mics). Next I will get a Manfrotto pan head to improve my pans.

At this point, I am wondering if I should continue with the following firmware or try another and if so which one? My next serious project will be a live music production where sound is as important as video and I will be using both a hacked GH2 and the GH3 and finding out how they mix in post. Any suggestions are welcome.

Kanana Pond Wildlife Sanctuary Maui - Panasonic GH2 with Driftwood’s “Apocalypse Now” firmware hack Clutster v7 Apocalypse Now - 6 GOP Nebula “444

Iao Valley Maui - Panasonic GH2 test with Driftwood’s “Apocalypse Now” firmware hack

driftwood

Excellent demonstration and camerawork @crowbar. Well done. Cluster Nebula is proving itself time and again as the best setting for hi detail, action and flowing water. This is 100Mbps IPB.

Shon

Someone has a digital rain in this video, the program adobe cs6 or final cut? http://sendfile.su/751911

driftwood

Try a transcode with the latest Clipwrap - without re-encode. Import the mov file into either and test. Always copy over the entire Private folder first to your hard disk before doing above.

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