You mean other models?

As for deals, I need to update all terms and also add new models, Hope to do in few days.

PM me if you want some specific thing.

Is there any good alternativ to fotga?

Not in this price range.

Skier IRNDs will fit but it is very tight, you need to put some pressure on it.

Thank you. That's good to know.

I read about problems that some filter glasses such as tiffen might not fit into the brackets. That true? What about different nd faders?

No one has even heard of Skier around here.

In this case it is best to check topic about them.

So you can't just buy a separate 4mm filter holder from another company and drop it into either the Fotga or Cinematics, then?

It is simpler to buy 3mm filter. As Skier was in stock they worked ok with them as I remember.

It is because in China all filters are 3mm :-)

My Schneider filters just arrived. Unfortunately, they are too thick for the Fotga filter trays. They're just barely able to fit in the Cinematics trays. Right now I'm using the Cinematics trays in the Fotga matte box so that I can use these filters, but they don't rotate more than 90 degrees (-45 to +45), and they sit in there kind of awkwardly. Now I'm wondering if there is a sort of universal filter tray? Something with a higher build quality, ideally metal?

edit @fotosiamo that means that no, Fotga filter trays won't take 4mm filters. Bummed.

Cinematics do sell a height adjuster separately, too: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E37DXWI

@fotosiamo - Overall, hard to say. The Cinematics does feel a little more stable when locked, but the locking mechanism bent after a few months and wouldn't tighten down, so it's always rattling. That's fine on a tripod, but annoying as hell when I go handheld or am carrying it around on set. I don't know when it happened, and I may have dropped it or banged it into something, so I don't blame that on build quality. It's hard to fault the Cinematics for build quality. It's almost all metal, it took some abuse from me, and overall it held up pretty well. My specific issues with it besides the broken swing-away lock were that it was heavy, flags were always coming loose and swinging around, and I kept losing the screws that hold the flags on. They just come unscrewed too easily. So far I don't have any of those problems with the Fotga, but I don't think it'll stand up to quite as much abuse as I put the Cinematics through.

Like you say, the filter trays aren't great on either of them. They feel a little sturdier on the Fotga to me, but not by much and I could be wrong. I don't have a 4mm filter on hand, but it's supposed to be compatible. I have a Schneider Platinum IRND on the way, so I should be able to test it next week.

Bottom line: if you want a good, affordable, lightweight matte box, get the Fotga. Also get it if you need side rails, or height adjustment. If you NEED a sturdier matte box and are okay with paying more and having it weigh substantially more, while losing side rails and height adjustment, maybe better to get the Cinematics. Both are very good deals, but I'm happier with the Fotga than the Cinematics, mostly because of weight and height adjustment.

I could sell you my Cinematics AS-IS (with the bent swing-away latch and missing screws), but do you really want it, lol?

My Fotga DP3000 M3 arrived today. So far, I'm impressed. Here are my initial thoughts, mostly as compared to the Cinematics box that I'm replacing.

Build quality is decent, considering how lightweight it is. It doesn't feel like it's going to break, but I do worry about scratching hard plastic components. There already is a scratch mark on the inside.

The swing away arm is very robust and well designed, but the latching mechanism feels a little finnicky. It's a tiny screw that feels like it could get lost or bent fairly easily. I like the design of the swing-away mechanism overall, though, especially the height adjustment mechanism. Brilliant!

The side mount for 15mm rails is nice, I just wish it matched up with my super sexy Easom Optics cinema cage. Even so, I'm already using it to hold a short rod with a hot shoe adapter, for mounting my shotgun mic. Nice.

The flags are wonderfully minimalistic and lightweight. They don't make my whole unbalanced like the ones on my Cinematics matte box do. They also don't feel like they're going to pull loose and swing around, like the Cinematics ones tended to do. My one complaint is that you need an allen wrench to tighten them -- the Cinematics design had problems, but what was nice is that you didn't need a tool to tighten anything.

The filter trays are simply mediocre. There is a lot of resistance on the rotating one, and you have to almost completely unscrew the locking screw in order to release them, which feels like another component that could easily get lost. They do lock down tight though, and don't seem quite as chintzy as some other brands do.

The donut rings are thicker than I expected, which I actually really like. They aren't going to get torn, bent, or flop out of the matte box. They sit in there very snugly, and do their job perfectly well.

It was nice of them to include a set of 12" rods. They are lightweight and feel as strong as any I've ever used. I already have replaced a pair of heavy steel rods that I was using on top of my rig with these.

I wish they would have used metal knobs for all of the tightening mechanisms. Most of them are, but the side and bottom rod tensioners are plastic, as are the knobs for adjusting height. I don't understand why, their follow focus has nice metal rod tensioners so why not use these on the matte box too? And the side one is ridiculously oversized. Why? I don't hate it, I just don't understand why it has to be so big and so... plastic.

Overall, it looks really sharp. Let's be honest, for those of us using big 4x4 matte boxes with smaller cameras, at least part of the reason is to look more professional. I thought that my Cinematics matte box looked good, but I like the design on this one even better.