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Adobe products are now for lease only
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  • OedipaxOedipax

    @inqb8r: "Sooo, how does this work? You pay the fee, agree the eula, download any .pkg you need from the cloud and install it? Does it constantly check for activation/license status? What happens if you are offline?"

    As I understand it, you can be offline for around 30 days before it's necessary to reconnect and verify the licensing again. This way if you are out in the field without a connection, it's not immediately an issue. I could see it being a problem if you're on a production in a remote region without internet for several months though, I wonder how Adobe will address that?

    @kavadni, "Once you have subscribed, you can cancel at any time. The software stops working ...then start again at anytime.

    For example, pay a month do a job. Cancel it. Next job 6 months later. Pay another month. Do another job. That's my understanding."

    That's correct for the monthly plans, but if you choose a yearly contract (which I think has better monthly rates) and want to cancel after the first 30 days, you still pay about half of what you would have for the whole year as a cancellation fee.

  • leonbeasleonbeas

    I think this have 5% to do with piracy and 95% with control creativity and monopoly, even if only 1 day a month you are conected to internet is enough for ADOBE and shareholders to know if you use any "prohibited" word, or subject, so that they can control and detect any kind of deviation of mass ignorance. and monopoly because they want the all cake for themselves, by doing this many people will be afraid of hacking (i´m sure that a hack will exist not even afer a month of release). But more than 50% of people using cs6 now will not have the cc7 suite hacked that means more money more control, over the market, if demand grows price will rise, thats for shure. With that competition will fall deep, so more of the same.

    Wath scares me is why they are doing this now? It looks like they need to secure lines before going to war.... (hope not)

  • LPowellLPowell

    I recently uninstalled Adobe CS6 on my workstation and reverted back to CS5.5, which can still be found on ebay. I use CS6 on my laptop where it's useful for recording and review in the field. As far as I can tell, Adobe has no plans to resolve the insidious "digital rain" bug which afflicts the MainConcept AVCHD decoder bundled in CS6. In addition, Adobe's refusal to update the CS5.5 version of Adobe Camera Raw to support cameras released in 2013 is very troubling. This strongly suggests that support for CS6 will cease when CS7 is released, forcing all subscribers to upgrade well before CS7 has established a track record for reliability.

    While CS5.5 lacks a few of the latest version's bullet-point features, its workflow, stability, and resource requirements are well-established and predictable. LIke FCP7, CS5.5 will likely become obsolete at some point, but I'm confident Adobe will maintain conversion compatibility of CS5.5 projects in future versions. I'm hoping many of my deal-breaking issues with CS6 will be rectified with CS7.

  • sshssh

    Adobe market share is huge. Can you guess why? It will gradually shrink. Adobe's profits might see a bump for a couple years, but in the long run, they are shooting themselves in a foot.

    PS: oh yeah, fcuk the CLOUD. I want MY shit on MY computer with MY software. Even if I am not connected to the internet (can you imagine?)! Any exclusive "c"-word solution will fail.

  • shianshian

    it's not on the cloud - it resides on your computer. It just checks every month to see if your activation is still valid - read: paid.

  • MicahMicah

    So Adobe thinks this will lead to more revenue? What planet are they thinking of? Certainly not this one...

  • pvjamespvjames

    This is a very bad move imo. I don't see any reason or excuse why they couldn't just continue Rent AND Own. To force people to Rent has created this huge backlash against their name. It may be a future trend but i don't see why they have to take away the option to own and keep both options. Let the User decide. As mentioned, it opens the door way open for FCP again. Also, there are many other alternatives. I must be in the minority who owns alot of MMedia software. If they were to all go Subscription, it would be impossible and i don't see that happening. If you don't run many other apps, then i guess you can rent one suite for the rest of your life. I just like alot of different apps. Kind of a software glutton. :)

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    If they were to all go Subscription, it would be impossible and i don't see that happening. If you don't run many other apps, then i guess you can rent one suite for the rest of your life. I just like alot of different apps. Kind of a software glutton. :)

    In fact, you'll see it soon, Whole point of Apple AppStore and Google Play is to turn them into subscription based services. They'll are pressing application prices low. And quite soon they'll declare solution allowing developers to survive - go into subscription model without any alternatives.

  • shianshian

    VK is right - this is the new model for everything

  • jleojleo

    Even when we bought software on CD's and DVD's we didn't own it...

    http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/09/first-sale-doctrine/

    In our digital world you don't own stuff, you just license it

    Corporations and lawmakers have put us on course for a world where consumers do not own the things they buy

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/05/digital-media-licensed-not-owned

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @jleo

    All this shit with "licensing" is required to prevent obvious things arising from owner rights and how they do not match with copyright laws.

  • driftwooddriftwood

    If you don't need everything in CS try the alternatives:- http://gigaom.com/2013/04/06/how-to-build-your-own-adobe-creative-suite-with-cheaper-mac-app-alternatives/

    Over a decade ago we had choice. Now there's not much. But things will change again.

  • sshssh

    @shian Another great idea Adobe has is Creative Cloud. 2GB of free storage and the rest comes with a monthly bill. If you don't pay, you still have access to 2GB of your content!

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    Also very interesting is how big corporation mitigates the issue. Looking at comments around web (especially on not specialised sites) it is clear that quite big number of them are made by hired guys and bots (I do not mean only positive comments, very negative unfounded ones are also used).

    I also see many sites quickly spread the legs and provided place for corporation to provide their PR department texts and interviews. :-)

  • stoneystoney

    Dreary... but we will adapt. Humanity will survive!!!

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    Dreary... but we will adapt. Humanity will survive!!!

    Humanity survival usually is not so important as survival of yourself :-)

  • stoneystoney

    Of course!!! Me first.

    Anyways... gotta earn more money to pay for more stuff. Crazy...

  • MicahMicah

    This is just a couple signatures away from a 1000. Dunno what it's worth, but it can't hurt: http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    One of the important questions rised by many smart guys is an extreme file format complications that can arise from proposed change. In one year you could get 10 backwards incompatible formats. And most probably it will be exactly method they will use to fight piracy. You could steal their software but your copy will stop to properly read files people will be sending you (as Adobe has right to update software in background, btw, according to new license).

  • Ralph_BRalph_B

    What file formats are you refering to, Vitaliy?

  • johnnymossvillejohnnymossville

    I know of companies that will not allow graphics and editing workstations to be connected to the internet. I guess this will now have to change as well if they want to do any work.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @Ralph_B

    File formats for contant made by their software.

  • jleojleo

    Everything by Subscription...

    The Financial Times reports that the long-rumored paid subscription model is coming to YouTube as early as this week. The strategy will help YouTube compete not only with other online outlets like Netflix and Hulu but also with major networks like CBS. However, it's also a sea change in the site's approach to content, since YouTube has always been a destination for endless amounts of free user-generated content. Don't worry, though. Most of it will still be free — for now anyways.

    More here:

    http://www.theatlanticwire.com/business/2013/05/are-you-ready-pay-youtube/64896/

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    Some quotes (from CC License agreement)

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    One of my current theories that such solution was also used to better control independent studios and filmmakers. As in case of any troubling activity (to big guys) all subscriptions can be just terminated.

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