@balazer , I think that perhaps the best comparison is to take the BMC and crop it to 1080p because the red is very soft at 2k if I am not mistaken. I think it is the olpf of the red which is very strong.

@danyyel, the GH2 or GH3 in 1080 ETC mode is 1:1 pixel mapped from the Bayer sensor. Same thing if you crop the BMCC's 2.4 k to 1080p. 1080 windowed mode on RED cameras. Nikod D4 in 1080 crop mode. Lots more examples.

@alabastard69, the BMPCC sensor diagonal is 1/3 as long as a full-frame 35 mm photographic camera sensor diagonal. That's where the crop factor of 3 comes in: attaching a full frame lens to the BMPCC is equivalent to shooting on a full frame camera with the same lens and cropping the resulting images by a factor of three in each dimension. It also means you get the same diagonal angle of view on the BMPCC using a lens that has 1/3 the focal length of a lens on a full frame camera. For example, a 12 mm lens on the BMPCC gives the same angle of view as a 36 mm lens on a full frame camera. It doesn't matter if that is a 12 mm lens designed for full frame cameras, or m43 cameras, or Super 16 cameras. They all have the same focal length and they more than cover the BMPCC sensor, so they give the same angle of view on the BMPCC. Good luck finding a full frame 12 mm lens, though. On full frame, 12 mm is super super wide. You'll probably only find that as a fish eye lens. On m43, 12 mm is wide. On Super 16, 12 mm is normal.

The mount doesn't always tell you what format the lens was designed for. There are C-mount lenses for bunches of different formats, some smaller and some larger than Super 16. Same for PL mount.

@_gl said

It makes no sense to offer RAW and then throw the information away.

Tell that to RED or Cineform.

Blackmagic's web site pretty clearly says that the BMPC4k has lossy raw, and BMPCC has lossless raw. Lossless raw at 1080/30p 12 bits per photo site is 60+ MB/s; 89 MB/s at the quoted minimum compression ratio of 1.2:1, which is very nearly the top write speed of any SDXC card. The largest SDXC card supporting that rate is 64 GB, which translates to about 15 minutes of recording. We'll just have to wait and see how that pans out.

Does anyone know of a camera that has single 1080p bayer sensor, so that we can can have an idea of the resolution capable from the bmpc.

@Vitaliy_Kiselev

You can't specify any rates for loseless compression,

If you've read my posts you know I already know that. I've worked with lossless compression a lot (including programming with it).

And I think that actual ratios will be quite more than 1.5:1, more like 5:1.

It makes no sense to offer RAW and then throw the information away. It's a true lossless mode (as is part of the DNG specs).

@Vitaliy_Kiselev, everything I've read suggests their RAW is true lossless, their reps are confused. DNG has a lossless compression mode in the specs, and 1.5:1 again is a typical lossless ratio.

@_gl

Nope, their compression has losses, it is not losseless, hence the term - visually loseless.

Just hoping metabones hire all unemployed people in their country to work in m43 speedbooster mass production. If not, the queue of buyers will go around all the equator line...

@eyeiaye Here is one of Kholi's recent vids with original BMCC camera for reference. If this is out of place Vitally I apologize.

If the new smaller s16 cam looks anything like this (which they stated it will) then it's all good.

As I have understood it, MFT Speed booster opens up the field of view of a lens about 25%, not 50%. This means, that the viewing angle of: for example 50mm becomes similar to 35mm lens. Depth of field remains the same as with 50mm with it's original max. aperture. However, the amount of light, that the lens produces, increase about 50 %. Now, compared to 5dmkii FF camera, 50mm lens with super16mm gives a field of view similar to 150mm lens in 5dmkii. To get a similar shot with 50mm on 5dmkii, you would need to use 25mm lens + speed booster attached to BMC Pocket. Now, the depth of field would be wider with that lens compared to a 50mm lens. GH2, (which is 2x crop compared to 5d mkii), image would be similar with BMC Pocket, when the speed booster was attached, but only if one would find a suitable lens for it (with wide angles it is difficult). Low light would not be any more sensitive, but it would look out much better.

With my experience on Super16mm cameras, I hardly ever used any lenses wider than 12mm:s, because they lost all the character and looked out like video. If 10mm-to 12mm lens is used, it was better to be one of a premium quality. For the BMC Pocket, my dream set of lenses would be 12mm SLR Magic, 17,5mm Voigtlander and a 58mm Minolta MC rokkor with Speed booster.

I seem to remember one of the BM guys saying OIS would be supported on the active M43 mount, although some of their comments have been contradicted by others, not sure there is a way to be certain..?

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So with a speed booster attached to this cam can I assume the DOF and Low light will be equivalent to my gh2? Will it be better?

Run-n-gun only with a mini-steadicam. They made something really small for iphones somewhere on kickstarter, can't remember where, so i hope something like it will be made for this cam too, albeit that it's a good few hundred grams heavier, even with a light lens.

@tinyrobot

The Zeiss Superspeed S16 set that I use has a 5.9/T1.8 and an 8/T1.3 (I think it's a 1.3, might be 1.8)... that's kind of standard so yeah, I agree, but I think the niche is so small that noone's going to want to take on the task of crafting a fast prime that costs nearly as much as a new Voigtlander 25/0.95. =T

I've got some GH2+ETC Super16 glass footage floating around on vimeo, though. ETC on GH2's smaller than what the Pocket cam shoots, maybe that'll give some people an idea on what to expect.