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Be Careful: GH2 body dead after I connected it to a 8,4v Battery Pack
  • Oh no, inspired by this video:
    I bought a 8,4v battery (racing pack) pack and connected it to my brand new GH2! Now the camera is totally dead! Doesnt work with the power supply, doesnt work with the original battery!

    What shall I do now? Any idea what could have happened? I probably lost my warranty with the hack! Any advice? Any trick to get the camera working again?
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  • Hi guys,

    if somebody is looking for ready to use solution, I just bought XTPower 32000 (I can power my macbook pro with it) and DC Coupler. Just connected those two, set 9v output and good to go.

    amazon links: http://www.amazon.com/Poweradd-Pilot-Pro-Multi-Voltage-Compatible/dp/B00DN0KBXU http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CBEDTCY

  • Before you connect any battery, please watch this video:

  • I built a small DC-DC stepdown into the GH2 DMW-DCC8 adapter - so now my camera accepts input voltages from 9-30 volts, with no poof :)

  • Definitely not. I always RTFM when $1000 gear at stake :)

    but it does allow me to run span tests all day using only one battery charge cycle per day - i just use a cheapo tripod that has a small plate and allows me to get to the battery door and swap the battery in when I update the firmware, then back to the AC adapter to shoot for 2 hours or however long it takes for the GH2 to stop recording while I go do other stuff.
  • @arivdtp

    I sure hope you aren't using the power supply when updating the firmware.

    Chris
  • Sweet! All's well that ends well i guess.

    And I wanted to put in that I've been using the dynex charger/AC adapter a lot without incident for the last 5 days or so while testing spanning with the hack. Works great, and useful for other random stuff too - like USB power and phone charging.
  • Short Update: Panasonic repaired my camera on warranty! On the repair report it says they exchanged the part: ERBSE3ROOU IC PROTECTOR

    So the camera does actually seem to have power regulators which protect the body from overvoltage or wrong polarity.

    I used XLR connectors for the battery pack and checked the polarity to the last pin and now everything works smooth.

    So once again, just be very carefull about polarity when you use external batteries!
  • It should be ok regardless, just make sure that you test the polarity on the dc coupler contacts at the battery shaped end that goes into the camera. As long at it matches the polarity of the OEM battery you should be fine.
  • "BUT:

    The original Panasonic DC-coupler carries the minus on the cable which is marked with white color!

    This is insane! Panasonic switches suddenly the polarity in the connector which connects the DC coupler with the power supply. Probably a very mean trick to prevent compatibility

    Can anybody confirm this?"



    This may be a design flaw, from the AC-DC Panasonic adapter. It's really hard to know for sure.

    I recently uncovered a design flaw in the stereo of a 2002 VW Jetta: One speaker was wired backwards creating phase cancellation (luckily it was well documented in a forum). In 20 minutes we had the stereo sounding great (only 9 years after the flaw was created).

    Years ago shooting film: both Panavision and Arriflex cameras used 24 volts with 3 pin XLR cables in the USA. Only, Arriflex, new to requiring 24 volts (ca. 1993), chose to have a reversed polarity from Panavision, requiring seperate batteries, or, for the AC to build his/her own reversing cable.... and if you forgot it... puff, the camera was down (but had user accessible fuses -if you remembered to have a spare or 2 with you).

    Whatever the reason Panasonic had, thanks for posting this. I have the DCC, just haven't built or adapted my 12 volt XLR or Sony batteries for it.
  • Ok, that makes sense.

    Just make sure the one you order has the right tip included.
  • thanks! regulated just means that it outputs a constant voltage within its current range. unregulated DC adapters (ie most wall warts) will change their output voltage somewhat based on load/current that they are driving and therefore are not reliable to output a fixed voltage and need a regulator for digital electronics. Since the GH2 usually expects a battery (very clean, stable voltage - until charge runs out), i expect that a regulated power supply would be necessary. Looks like the dynex is - I'm going to order it.
  • @arvidtp

    I set it to 8.4v.

    I'm not quite sure what you mean by "I'm assuming the DC input to the DC coupler needs to be regulated"

    The dc coupler (the bit that looks like a battery and goes into the camera) just feels like a hollow box that connects the wires from the coupler to the camera appropriate contacts. That's why we need the Dynex thing to power it at 8.4v.

    Make sure the seller includes the 4.75x1.75mm tip, that's the one you need for this. I had to get the seller to send it to me after the adapter and other tips arrived.
  • For some more detail about efficiency - buck converters are the inefficient sort - they basically discard the difference in voltage between input and output as waste heat (so from 12v to 9v you're losing at least 25% as waste heat)

    What you want is a switching voltage regulator which will usually achieve closer to 90-95% efficiency and of course not put out so much heat.

    The auction for number 2 says it's a switching so maybe it's fine.

    I got mine on eBay from someone in the UK who builds them himself. He was very helpful and asked me questions about what I was using it for to make sure it was suitable. The buck converter was 5 pounds, the switching regulator was 12 pounds but that was a few years ago now. Looks like he's still selling them:
    http://shop.ebay.com/bencor028/m.html




  • @evero
    1. No - input voltage is too high?
    2. Looks ok - no mention of efficiency though. I think it's a pretty inefficient circuit.
    3. This looks like the efficient variety (can't remember all the details now, it was ages ago I looked at this stuff)

    I would get something like this as mentioned in the other thread:
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/5V-9V-12V-USB-Super-Capacity-Recharge-Li-ion-Battery-/280726420534?pt=US_Batteries&hash=item415c993c36

    Unless you've already bought the one without 9V output?
  • @evero
    For anyone feeling adventurous, I used a very small Texas Instruments circuit to convert my ~12V battery pack to 9.3V for my GH1. Depending on what country you are in, you might be able to obtain a free sample from Texas Instruments (I was in the UK when I obtained mine) I also have a 9V output which runs the camera just fine.

    More details here: http://jordanofoz.com/?p=20
  • @MarkInMaine
    Interesting sollution! What kind of DC-DC converter did you use? Is it compact? I'm interested in just lowering the voltage from a 12V battery, to somewhere around 8.6V, using this battery: http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/comment/8670#Comment_8670 Do you think that will work ok?
  • @markmark1 - Do you set the Dynex charger to the 8.4v setting? I'm looking at getting one. Here are the specs: http://www.dynexproducts.com/cms/documents/DX-UA_09-0318_QSG_V1_EN_Final%20Press.pdf

    and I'm assuming the DC input to the DC coupler needs to be regulated, right?
  • The Dynex Charger is only tip positive.
  • I have built my own battery adapter which allows me to use Sony F970 batteries with my GH2. I have an electrical engineering background and I was very careful about how I designed my adapter. As has been stated the fully charged voltage of many batteries can be well excess of the rated voltage. While this in of itself may not cause damage to the GH2 I had no intent of letting my prized little GH2 see anything other than a nice clean compatible voltage level.

    So I decided to use a DC-DC converter in my adapter that steps the voltage from the battery down a little to be more compatible with the GH2's normal operating level. A Sony F970 has a start voltage of about 8.4 volts and drops to 7.4 for a considerable amount of time. The problem of course is that most DC-DC converters need some amount of "pressure" or voltage difference between the input voltage and the regulated output voltage. I wanted to supply my GH2 with a stable voltage of some level for the longest period of time.

    To do this I first ran a normal Panasonic battery down to almost empty. I then measured the voltage output from the Panasonic battery and found that at the last Bar on the battery gauge the Panasonic battery was reading 6.8 volts. Using this voltage I adjusted my DC-DC converter to output 6.8 volts. By doing this I know that my GH2 will never see more than 6.8 volts of power from my Sony F970 battery adapter. So when I plug in a fresh F970 with a voltage level of 8.4 volts my adapter steps that down to 6.8 volts and holds that voltage for a very long time.

    In testing I have been able to run a stock GH2 for 8 hours of virtually uninterrupted recording. That was having it record at 24P H looking at a TV screen for changing content. Each time the card filled I would format the card and start recording again. I think 8 hours from one Sony F970 battery is pretty good.

    The tough part was the actual connection to the GH2. I used a cheap third party battery to create my own power adapter. I found of course that the GH2 does not like to get just a voltage levels it also needs a special signature from the battery to allow the camera to operate. I had to incorporate a small mother board from the third party battery into my adapter as well. This was fairly tricky as there is little room between the contacts of the normal GH2 battery connections.

    I have never done a DIY video on my adapter for this reason. I am too concerned that the connections I used via the old third party battery were to delicate for many to do with out potentially damaging their GH2. I use my adapter often and love the long run times.

    In general please be careful when trying to adapter any type of power system to any camera or device. Always check the polarity then check it again, and check it again. You can check it a million times, you can be wrong only once.

  • @markmark1

    What did you set the polarity of the adapter tip to?
  • CobyD: I orderd a Dynex universal camcorder like this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dynex-Universal-Camera-Camcorder-AC-DC-Power-Adap-DX-UA-/260765841802?pt=Batteries_Chargers&hash=item3cb6daf98a#ht_1450wt_1141

    It works! (I checked the polarity before I used it)

    If anyone orders one, make sure it comes with the straight tips, the ones that came with mine were only the speciality ones, but after I contacted the seller, they sent me the correct one (as pictured far left bottom, dimensions 4.75mmx1.75mm)
  • I quite supprised to her that you had a problem with the battery packs. I used mine for at least 3 hours and had no problems. As someone said above you could of had the poliarity wrong way round. I had my cable made from a shop so its been made properly. As for the DC wire not matching up I have no idea,- The shop were I bought the camera from said I wouldn't buy 3rd party adaptors for power as you may blow the fuse in the camera. I did it anyway because from the video above.

    The guy at the shop did say if I 3rd party battery was connected the DC coupler has some sort of a chip that tells the china man or engineers that a 3rd party power has been used. However I dont know if this is true or complete bollocks.

    Funny because sony did a simular thing with their Playstation 3 consoles. I bought one from Japan and it said 110 volt only on the back, so I bought a step down transformer for it that cost £60 no cheap. Then the shop were I bought it from in Japan told me just so happens they have opend the PS3 and checked the Power Unit and its a duel Power supply and works anywere!!!..........cheeky sods Sony.
  • Or use a potato. I remember from my schooldays that if you stick a couple of wires about 1cm apart into a potato, the potato will turn blue around a wire of one polarity. Can't remember which but I'm sure I have a potato somewhere so I could test it and report back. Of course, you need to carry a potato around with you and wait a bit for it to work, but that's a small price to pay. Can't be fried or sauteed, has to be raw.

    UPDATE The potato turns green around the negative wire. So you need never worry about polarity again!
  • @roy batty: the first adapter I bought would power the camera on in standby mode, but when I activated record it said "this battery is not compatible". It was a fairly puny adapter so I have a higher-amperage adapter on order. I will post the result and brand once I test it, plus the polarity. (I tried hard to find the Rhino adapter visible in that video, but I only ever found a lower-amp version and/or sites that were to vague about which model they were actually selling. So If anyone has success with a cheap AC adapter, please post a link!).

    I strongly recommend buying a cheap $10 meter at Radioshack -- check how the official battery has its polarity and then check when you wire up the DC coupler that the pins mimic the polarity of the official battery.